(19-01-2023, 04:24 PM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: [ -> ] (19-01-2023, 04:03 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ]>I don't get this, has anybody else claimed to have won the second shield?
At the time of the quote, you had not won the 2nd shield, therefore "anybody else could have won the 2nd shield", and when they did, they would have told us that it could be used on anyone. That's why you were honest about .
So, this sentence "If that were true I would have made it clear I could only save myself. This is not my first rodeo" was a lie.
Again I'm lost.
The above sentence in bold I made today in reference to your theory that I could be a wolf, won the 1st shield, give it to a villager and then selected them for murder so that it would look like I was attacked, hence not a wolf
Now, if I did the above, I wouldn't have said today that I could have given the shield to anyone, I would have said that I could only use it on myself, and given most ww games you can't or its against the spirit of the game for wolves to attack their own to make a wolf look village, and that would have blown your theory out of the water.
I said I could have given it to anyone because it is true. and I have nothing to hide.
I think the argument is that you specified you used it on yourself D2, before you won the second shield, just in case someone else won a shield D2 and shared that it could be used on anyone. It would be a smart move to make for a traitor.
Gordon are you saying that Zeena saying now that their prize could have been used on anyone is a traitor slip? So your claim is that Zeena (lets assume traitor for the moment) won a prize of a shield, declared it on thread, then Zeena gave shield to a villager, traitors took a failed munch on that villager to give Zeena village look?
Just want to make sure I have it right in my head
(19-01-2023, 04:49 PM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: [ -> ]Gordon are you saying that Zeena saying now that their prize could have been used on anyone is a traitor slip? So your claim is that Zeena (lets assume traitor for the moment) won a prize of a shield, declared it on thread, then Zeena gave shield to a villager, traitors took a failed munch on that villager to give Zeena village look?
Just want to make sure I have it right in my head
Seems like a strange play so early into the game
(19-01-2023, 04:56 PM)Weyland the Blacksmith Wrote: [ -> ] (19-01-2023, 04:49 PM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: [ -> ]Gordon are you saying that Zeena saying now that their prize could have been used on anyone is a traitor slip? So your claim is that Zeena (lets assume traitor for the moment) won a prize of a shield, declared it on thread, then Zeena gave shield to a villager, traitors took a failed munch on that villager to give Zeena village look?
Just want to make sure I have it right in my head
Seems like a strange play so early into the game
But traitors using their murder on the one player who won a prize of a shield is more likely or less strange?
Occam's razor. I'm not convinced but with the information that's out there, there are two scenarios:
1. Zeena is Faithful, won the shield, claimed it publicly, used it on herself N1. Traitors then chose to murder her instead of any other player, not even a player on team 1 that did not win any prize
2. Zeena is Traitor, won the shield, claimed it publicly, used it on a Faithful N1, the traitors chose to murder that faithful so it would appear Zeena was the N1 target and therefore not a Traitor
Neither is more far-fetched or incredible than the other.
Can anyone help me with the math? There are 6 of us alive, presumably 2 living traitors, do we have 2 mis-banishments left before traitors can force a coin toss and possibly control the vote?
this evening 6 alive, banish 1 faithful, 3-2
tomorrow morning, banish 1 faithful, 2-2, coin toss?
Quote:William the Grave Robber
#238
17-01-2023, 05:57 PM
Catching up, things standing out so far.
Edward immediately suggesting a conversion screams Traitor trying to sow the idea of a third, if there are currently 2. Seemed to come out of nowhere. Add that to him choosing to go on lilly last night and not me - Traitor knows both Lilly and I are Faithful, but also knows there's suspicion on me, easier to hide with me still in the game, tried to claim mechanics etc. Very traitorous behaviour today, as called out by several people.
Zeena told us all yesterday that she had a shield. Making a couple of assumptions - there was at least 1 Traitor on Team 2, there was more than 1 prize given last night but the Traitors assumed only 1 prize and they won 1 themselves, they'd have thought Zeena was lying and attempted to murder there. Alternatively, they took Zeena at her word, and weren't expecting any other prizes to be given (as per the show, mostly 1 shield only) and attempted to murder elsewhere in Team 2.
I don't think there was an option to give the shield to anyone else, or a choice on when to use it, but Necro may have tweaked things from the show for playability.
Countess, that's an interesting prize, if indeed it was a prize. If you're telling the truth, I don't believe it indicates alignment. A Traitor can bus another Traitor to gain credibility. If you're lying, then you're definitely a Traitor. Either way, it doesn't clear you imo.
Just noting how according to William, Traitors might have thought Zeena was lying and so targeted her, whereas if I'm lying, I'm definitely a traitor - why the different treatment?
It's a genius bit of play if it were true, or maybe not a Gordon has thought about it.
I can't explain why I was targeted when I said I won a shield (we can only assume I was targeted as no one else has claimed to have had a shield)
I'm not going to justify my actions throughout the game, vote for me if you want, you can still win I think with one mislynch.
I'm voting William or Weyland tonight, the rest of you vote how you want.
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Zeena Warrior Princess I’m leaning William, do you think friar was just distancing himself from William when he had him in his traitor leans?
(19-01-2023, 05:30 PM)Countess Markievicz Wrote: [ -> ]@Zeena Warrior Princess I’m leaning William, do you think friar was just distancing himself from William when he had him in his traitor leans?
Well bluff, double bluff, hard to say. My main reason is I think there was another wolf on the Dora vote, possibly two if there are two left. I think you're less like so I leaning toward one of the other two.
So for me, voting someone from the Dora vote is 33% or 66% chance on being wolf.
on the other hand, if there is a wolf in the Friar vote from yesterday, Moe or gordo, thats a 50% chance
If will or Weyland flip Triator and there is still one left, I would then probably go Moe or Gordo
(19-01-2023, 05:24 PM)Countess Markievicz Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:William the Grave Robber
#238
17-01-2023, 05:57 PM
Catching up, things standing out so far.
Edward immediately suggesting a conversion screams Traitor trying to sow the idea of a third, if there are currently 2. Seemed to come out of nowhere. Add that to him choosing to go on lilly last night and not me - Traitor knows both Lilly and I are Faithful, but also knows there's suspicion on me, easier to hide with me still in the game, tried to claim mechanics etc. Very traitorous behaviour today, as called out by several people.
Zeena told us all yesterday that she had a shield. Making a couple of assumptions - there was at least 1 Traitor on Team 2, there was more than 1 prize given last night but the Traitors assumed only 1 prize and they won 1 themselves, they'd have thought Zeena was lying and attempted to murder there. Alternatively, they took Zeena at her word, and weren't expecting any other prizes to be given (as per the show, mostly 1 shield only) and attempted to murder elsewhere in Team 2.
I don't think there was an option to give the shield to anyone else, or a choice on when to use it, but Necro may have tweaked things from the show for playability.
Countess, that's an interesting prize, if indeed it was a prize. If you're telling the truth, I don't believe it indicates alignment. A Traitor can bus another Traitor to gain credibility. If you're lying, then you're definitely a Traitor. Either way, it doesn't clear you imo.
Just noting how according to William, Traitors might have thought Zeena was lying and so targeted her, whereas if I'm lying, I'm definitely a traitor - why the different treatment?
(19-01-2023, 05:27 PM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: [ -> ]It's a genius bit of play if it were true, or maybe not a Gordon has thought about it.
I can't explain why I was targeted when I said I won a shield (we can only assume I was targeted as no one else has claimed to have had a shield)
I'm not going to justify my actions throughout the game, vote for me if you want, you can still win I think with one mislynch.
I'm voting William or Weyland tonight, the rest of you vote how you want.
you're probably right. I probably am overthink it.
I think i'll just go back to my night 1 ffa
(16-01-2023, 09:43 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ]I think I'll be voting from the following three.
Amy: We have to get rid of her sometime, doing it tonight allows us to find more info on folks before getting rid of somebody who is posting and giving us info to work off of.
Lily: Comes in and votes weyland for pocketing, with no discussion. doesn't want to discuss anybody else,
(16-01-2023, 07:21 PM)Lilly the Millennial Wrote: [ -> ]Twenty minutes and this is it?
Wow
Vote; wetland
(16-01-2023, 07:22 PM)Lilly the Millennial Wrote: [ -> ]Votes are final and LOCKED once cast, so think carefully before voting.
Fyi
William: narrows down their voting to the two highest posters and the no show. The reasons for me don't convince me.
My mind is not closed to only these three, this is just where i've landed after I narrowed my suspects down to three, i'll be keeping an eye on others thoughts too and reevaluating if i find others arguments convincing
and since amy and lily have flipped faithful, go for william, and take all the WINE that friar chucked at them as that, WINE.
Even if they are not a traitor, they done so little inn this game, its about time we signed them out.
William the Grave Robber casts a proxy vote for Countess Markievicz
Weyland the Blacksmith casts a proxy vote for William the Grave Robber
The countess vote by William is throwing me off a bit, I'm surprised he didn't go Weyland
I thought it might by between both tonight so if you're traitor why not try save yourself by voting the other.
They did declare earlier they were going to do it.. its unusual
Are we willing to end the game after william and weyland are gone?
Assuming both are Traitors, yes.
Forgot to submit a proxy vote.
Vote William
(19-01-2023, 07:29 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ]Are we willing to end the game after william and weyland are gone?
If there is any lingering doubt over a possible traitor, no. What good is it to end the game with 4 players left
all faithfuls win the game, even if only 1 fqithful represents them at the end.
12) Win conditions: The game ends when the players unanimously vote to do so. If the remaining players are all Faithful then the Faithful win. If there is a single Traitor remaining when the game is ended by the players, the Traitors win. What do either side win? Necro’s respect, I guess. The players cannot vote to end the game until the Final Banishment stage begins.
therefore, for the best chance at not being whammied, we should keep banishing until there is only 1 left.
(19-01-2023, 07:32 PM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: [ -> ] (19-01-2023, 07:29 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ]Are we willing to end the game after william and weyland are gone?
If there is any lingering doubt over a possible traitor, no. What good is it to end the game with 4 players left
good, i agree. we just keep removing our most likely wolf, even after we think the are all gon, we should keep going until the bitter end.
(19-01-2023, 07:29 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ]Are we willing to end the game after william and weyland are gone?
Surely that depends on how they flip. Im convinced there are still two wolves
How far does the game go if we dont end it?
I need to vote now. Its 50 50 for me
Vote william
william
weyland
zeena
moe
countess
me
my banish order
(19-01-2023, 07:36 PM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: [ -> ] (19-01-2023, 07:29 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ]Are we willing to end the game after william and weyland are gone?
Surely that depends on how they flip. Im convinced there are still two wolves
How far does the game go if we dont end it?
it will keep going until we end it unanimously.
Countess : 1 : willian
william : 4 : weyland, countess, moe, zeena
1 left, me
vote william
William the Grave Robber has dug his own grave, filled with proxy votes.
The remaining players have Banished him from the castle.
William the Grave Robber was... Faithful.
Before we close for the night folks I need to ask that question again...
Do you wish to end the game?
Vote Yes or No
Weyland the Blacksmith casts a proxy vote to End the Game.
Running out the door at 7 myself folks so I'll post the schedule for tomorrow
Thread opens 10am
First vote is 1-2pm
The question is asked again post banishment.
If we continue second vote will be 5-6 pm
Question will be asked again
Final vote if decided by the remaining players will take place between 9 and 10 pm
Proxy votes accepted if you can't make any of the allotted hours.
Welcome back players!
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Next banishment vote occurs between 1-2 as per the schedule posted.
Hey wetland, what are your thoughts?
Day 1
Lilly (3): Friar[98], Dora[105], Edward[151]
Edward (3): Moe[107] , Weyland[114], William[138]
William (2): Zeena[104], Gordon[133]
Weyland (1): Lilly[96]
Dora (1): Countess[126]
Non-voters (1): Amy
Day 2
Edward (4): William[311], Weyland[322], Moe[323], Dora[360]
Dora (4): Friar[338], Gordon[341], Countess[344], Zeena[358]
Friar (1): Edward[333]
William (1): Amy[343]
Day 3
Dora (4): William[394], Weyland[395], Friar[396], Countess[410]
Friar (4): Dora[397], Gordon[405], Zeena[411], Moe[426]
Vote 4
Friar (6): William[478], Countess[479], Weyland[482], Moe[483], Zeena[487], Friar[489]
Zeena (1): Gordon[484]
Vote 5
William (5): Weyland[533], Countess[538], Moe[543], Zeena[546], Gordon[547]
Countess (1): William[533]
Has to be weyland next for me
(20-01-2023, 11:11 AM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: [ -> ]Has to be weyland next for me
What do you make of the suggestion that Zeena used her shield on another player N1 to make us think she was attacked?
(20-01-2023, 11:15 AM)Countess Markievicz Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 11:11 AM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: [ -> ]Has to be weyland next for me
What do you make of the suggestion that Zeena used her shield on another player N1 to make us think she was attacked?
Unlikely but not impossible, it's a massive play if true but there's no way of ruling it out?
Assuming weyland is bad I would look at Gordon or Zeena as more likely than you, but doesn't clear you. If weyland is good then I dunno, there could be some prize shenanigans going on somewhere between you and zeena, obviously Gordon still isn't in the clear either in that scenario