Morning all
This isn't going good. I'm thinking someone is hoodwinking me. William and weyland for me were obvious choices yesterday. But I can't help but feel those I'm seeing as village are traitors.
Gordon starts on me yesterday, his point is plausible but I know it's incorrect, so is he sowing seeds of doubt on me?
Now Countess is bringing it up again, I mean only I know it is incorrect.
Moe has played a save game imo, his vote on Friar left me leaning him the most village still here, means nothing though when you don't know for sure.
I'm still leaning towards Weyland for my next vote but I need to analyse the voting see if I can find some interesting patterns
(20-01-2023, 11:24 AM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 11:15 AM)Countess Markievicz Wrote: [ -> ]What do you make of the suggestion that Zeena used her shield on another player N1 to make us think she was attacked?
Unlikely but not impossible, it's a massive play if true but there's no way of ruling it out?
Assuming weyland is bad I would look at Gordon or Zeena as more likely than you, but doesn't clear you. If weyland is good then I dunno, there could be some prize shenanigans going on somewhere between you and zeena, obviously Gordon still isn't in the clear either in that scenario
And with the information we have, do you think it's more likely that traitors attacked the one player who claimed to have won the shield?
It’s not there first rodeo, but they come straight out and tell everyone they won a shields for a prize.
(20-01-2023, 11:30 AM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ]It’s not there first rodeo, but they come straight out and tell everyone they won a shields for a prize.
Not first rodeo, mean they see them selves as experienced, so why advertise they have a shield
(20-01-2023, 11:27 AM)Countess Markievicz Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 11:24 AM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: [ -> ]Unlikely but not impossible, it's a massive play if true but there's no way of ruling it out?
Assuming weyland is bad I would look at Gordon or Zeena as more likely than you, but doesn't clear you. If weyland is good then I dunno, there could be some prize shenanigans going on somewhere between you and zeena, obviously Gordon still isn't in the clear either in that scenario
And with the information we have, do you think it's more likely that traitors attacked the one player who claimed to have won the shield?
Only reason I can think of in that situation is that they thought Zeena was bluffing, either about winning the prize, or it's contents
(20-01-2023, 11:35 AM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 11:27 AM)Countess Markievicz Wrote: [ -> ]And with the information we have, do you think it's more likely that traitors attacked the one player who claimed to have won the shield?
Only reason I can think of in that situation is that they thought Zeena was bluffing, either about winning the prize, or it's contents
But they knew someone on team two won prize(s). Never announced it, we picked numbers. Why risk attacking team two members at all, never d the person who announced a shields prize
(20-01-2023, 11:39 AM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 11:35 AM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: [ -> ]Only reason I can think of in that situation is that they thought Zeena was bluffing, either about winning the prize, or it's contents
But they knew someone on team two won prize(s). Never announced it, we picked numbers. Why risk attacking team two members at all, never d the person who announced a shields prize
*necro announced it*. *never mind the person *
(20-01-2023, 11:30 AM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ]It’s not there first rodeo, but they come straight out and tell everyone they won a shields for a prize.
Thats because we are playing a vanilla game, if there were rolled villagers I would not have claimed anything.
It was open season for the traitors to murder, I've no idea why they picked the one player who claimed to have a shield. It is unlikely someone else was shielded as no one else claimed.
I claimed the shield in a non-rolled game to play mind games with the Traitors.
Tell me, how would the rest of you have played my prize?
Day 3
Dora (4): William[394], Weyland[395], Friar[396], Countess[410]
Friar (4): Dora[397], Gordon[405], Zeena[411], Moe[426]
This for me is the most interesting voting so far.
Let's assume there were 3 traitors at this point, is it more likely 2 of them were in the Dora vote, that leaves one in Weyland or Countess and one in me, Gordon, and Moe
When zeena voted friar over Edward, Edward was already the shoe in, and she knew it, it’s in there vote message, leaving it to moe to decide between Edward and coin toss.
(20-01-2023, 11:03 AM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ]Hey wetland, what are your thoughts?
I have no idea to be honest.
I had Countess as faithful as she was right about a traitor being on the N1 votes, but I suppose if she was a traitor she would have know that.
I had Zeena as a faithful on the assumption she was targeted for the the first murder as I do believe she won the shield due to no counter claim. Your theory that the traitors sacrificed a kill to plant Zeena as a villager could be possible especially as they must have thought she was a threat to them and they have not target her again.
For yourself and Moe I haven't gotten traitor vibes but it could easily be any of you.
(20-01-2023, 11:42 AM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: [ -> ]Tell me, how would the rest of you have played my prize?
Not claimed the prize so all of team two was under a shield.
but I’m not a traitor who won the shield, so how i’d do it as a faithful isn’t how it was done.
You didn’t need to mention shields as prize, it’s the only real prize gift on the show, it would be a given that a shields was won.
(20-01-2023, 11:50 AM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 11:42 AM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: [ -> ]Tell me, how would the rest of you have played my prize?
Not claimed the prize so all of team two was under a shield.
but I’m not a traitor who won the shield, so how i’d do it as a faithful isn’t how it was done.
You didn’t need to mention shields as prize, it’s the only real prize gift on the show, it would be a given that a shields was won.
That is how I would have played it too as it was no benefit to the faithfuls of that information being on thread
(20-01-2023, 11:45 AM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ]When zeena voted friar over Edward, Edward was already the shoe in, and she knew it, it’s in there vote message, leaving it to moe to decide between Edward and coin toss.
Which vote was this?
The first time I voted Friar, edward was already gone
You must mean Dora?
I voted Friar and he had 3 votes to Doras 4, if I voted Dora it wouldn't have went to a coin toss
(20-01-2023, 11:45 AM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ]When zeena voted friar over Edward, Edward was already the shoe in, and she knew it, it’s in there vote message, leaving it to moe to decide between Edward and coin toss.
Sorry this is confusing me, which night vote was this? The vote i made to bring about a coin toss was friar vs dora?
(20-01-2023, 11:54 AM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 11:45 AM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ]When zeena voted friar over Edward, Edward was already the shoe in, and she knew it, it’s in there vote message, leaving it to moe to decide between Edward and coin toss.
Sorry this is confusing me, which night vote was this? The vote i made to bring about a coin toss was friar vs dora?
Sorry, forgot the detail of who it was, but remembered the comment and situation. Just sub dora for ed, or go back a check that the situation was as i said except for which fairhful was up
(20-01-2023, 11:57 AM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 11:54 AM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry this is confusing me, which night vote was this? The vote i made to bring about a coin toss was friar vs dora?
Sorry, forgot the detail of who it was, but remembered the comment and situation. Just sub dora for ed, or go back a check that the situation was as i said except for which fairhful was up
Yeah that's grand, i presumed as much. Just had to make sure
(20-01-2023, 11:50 AM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 11:42 AM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: [ -> ]Tell me, how would the rest of you have played my prize?
Not claimed the prize so all of team two was under a shield.
but I’m not a traitor who won the shield, so how i’d do it as a faithful isn’t how it was done.
You didn’t need to mention shields as prize, it’s the only real prize gift on the show, it would be a given that a shields was won.
Did it matter if a team 1 or team 2 villager was murdered?
So I don't mention it, they murder a team 1 player, I was always going to protect myself in a non rolled game
I mention it, traitored get nervous thinking anyone might be protected, in the end it worked out, they missed a kill.
So from my pov of view it worked out better, obviously yous dont know for sure that I'm village, but when the game ends or I die you might change your opinion.
(20-01-2023, 11:53 AM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 11:45 AM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ]When zeena voted friar over Edward, Edward was already the shoe in, and she knew it, it’s in there vote message, leaving it to moe to decide between Edward and coin toss.
Which vote was this?
The first time I voted Friar, edward was already gone
You must mean Dora?
I voted Friar and he had 3 votes to Doras 4, if I voted Dora it wouldn't have went to a coin toss
Yes, so you didn’t vote for griar, you voted for a possibility of a coin toss, only if moe voted friar also. That’s the only time you haven’t voted a faithful.
(20-01-2023, 12:01 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 11:53 AM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: [ -> ]Which vote was this?
The first time I voted Friar, edward was already gone
You must mean Dora?
I voted Friar and he had 3 votes to Doras 4, if I voted Dora it wouldn't have went to a coin toss
Yes, so you didn’t vote for griar, you voted for a possibility of a coin toss, only if moe voted friar also. That’s the only time you haven’t voted a faithful.
Well unless you count the last vote on friar when it absolutely didn’t matter
(20-01-2023, 11:57 AM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 11:54 AM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry this is confusing me, which night vote was this? The vote i made to bring about a coin toss was friar vs dora?
Sorry, forgot the detail of who it was, but remembered the comment and situation. Just sub dora for ed, or go back a check that the situation was as i said except for which fairhful was up
BS, go back and rewrite this the correct way, trying to make me look back as none of the others are going to double check it
(20-01-2023, 12:01 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 11:53 AM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: [ -> ]Which vote was this?
The first time I voted Friar, edward was already gone
You must mean Dora?
I voted Friar and he had 3 votes to Doras 4, if I voted Dora it wouldn't have went to a coin toss
Yes, so you didn’t vote for griar, you voted for a possibility of a coin toss, only if moe voted friar also. That’s the only time you haven’t voted a faithful.
How many faithfuls have you voted for? or indeed everyone else still here. put it into context
(20-01-2023, 12:00 PM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 11:50 AM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ]Not claimed the prize so all of team two was under a shield.
but I’m not a traitor who won the shield, so how i’d do it as a faithful isn’t how it was done.
You didn’t need to mention shields as prize, it’s the only real prize gift on the show, it would be a given that a shields was won.
Did it matter if a team 1 or team 2 villager was murdered?
So I don't mention it, they murder a team 1 player, I was always going to protect myself in a non rolled game
I mention it, traitored get nervous thinking anyone might be protected, in the end it worked out, they missed a kill.
So from my pov of view it worked out better, obviously yous dont know for sure that I'm village, but when the game ends or I die you might change your opinion.
Might 😂🎉🎉🎉🤣
Listen, vote me, its 2v2 probably then, is that game over?
If not, go for it, then look at 1 from weyland, countess and 1 from Gordon, moe
I’ve read friar, and they weren’t really a wine person as William flip has proved.
They were all William is bad zeena is good.
I’m willing to take friars constant reads and flip them.
zeena is traitor.
If you have the time, iso friar.
it’s a constant
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Gordon the Cook
When I flip village, they are going to look at you. If they do and you are really village it is game over if there are still 2 traitors.
If they don't look at you then the village might have a chance, again assuming you are village.
Your heavy push on me is unwarranted, it is a great story and I'm honored you think I could come up with it if I was a traitor
It is wrong though, there is a traitor in Weyland or Countess imo, maybe even both. that for me is at least 50% chance.
What are the chances your story on me is correct, a hunch at best?
Go for it then guys, I'm done defending myself, I will be back to vote later.
(20-01-2023, 12:18 PM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: [ -> ]@Gordon the Cook
When I flip village, they are going to look at you. If they do and you are really village it is game over if there are still 2 traitors.
If they don't look at you then the village might have a chance, again assuming you are village.
Your heavy push on me is unwarranted, it is a great story and I'm honored you think I could come up with it if I was a traitor
It is wrong though, there is a traitor in Weyland or Countess imo, maybe even both. that for me is at least 50% chance.
What are the chances your story on me is correct, a hunch at best?
Go for it then guys, I'm done defending myself, I will be back to vote later.
The oddity / wierd thing that happened is night 1 murder attempt.
That 'story' explains it. and it makes sense.
Its simple, and if traitors have a shield that can be used anywhere, and a murder, why would they not come up with it? Its only when you come at it without seeing what the traitors have in there arsenal for that first kill that you may over look the obvious.
what does not make sense and is a stretch, is that the traitors attacked the person who said they had the shield.
(20-01-2023, 12:29 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 12:18 PM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: [ -> ]@Gordon the Cook
When I flip village, they are going to look at you. If they do and you are really village it is game over if there are still 2 traitors.
If they don't look at you then the village might have a chance, again assuming you are village.
Your heavy push on me is unwarranted, it is a great story and I'm honored you think I could come up with it if I was a traitor
It is wrong though, there is a traitor in Weyland or Countess imo, maybe even both. that for me is at least 50% chance.
What are the chances your story on me is correct, a hunch at best?
Go for it then guys, I'm done defending myself, I will be back to vote later.
The oddity / wierd thing that happened is night 1 murder attempt.
That 'story' explains it. and it makes sense.
Its simple, and if traitors have a shield that can be used anywhere, and a murder, why would they not come up with it? Its only when you come at it without seeing what the traitors have in there arsenal for that first kill that you may over look the obvious.
what does not make sense and is a stretch, is that the traitors attacked the person who said they had the shield.
The one problem with your story is if it were true, I would have said the shield could only be used on me (it is unusual for wolves to be allowed to attack themselves in games) or are you assuming as a traitor I missed that part and it has now come back to haunt me?
Well the truth is I told the truth that I could give it to anyone and as a villager it never dawned on me that Someone would start this story.
Yes, your story is plausible as I've already said, but what are the chances of it being true? I've never seen a villager push this hard on something that might or might not be true this late in the game but I have seen wolves do it.
So you banish me, I'm village, you turn around and say, sorry got it wrong guys, you have then just removed, up until probably yesterday, the most village player in the game. the traitors will walk to victory at that point. If you are traitor, well played Gordon
(20-01-2023, 12:01 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 11:53 AM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: [ -> ]Which vote was this?
The first time I voted Friar, edward was already gone
You must mean Dora?
I voted Friar and he had 3 votes to Doras 4, if I voted Dora it wouldn't have went to a coin toss
Yes, so you didn’t vote for griar, you voted for a possibility of a coin toss, only if moe voted friar also. That’s the only time you haven’t voted a faithful.
So do you think I went along with Zeena in that case, yeah? Double traitor bus on Friar?
giong to answer inline
(20-01-2023, 12:41 PM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: [ -> ]The one problem with your story is if it were true, I would have said the shield could only be used on me
I have already addressed this point. You already said it could be used on anyone, during day two, before you had won the 2nd shield. You acted stupid when i pointed this out first time, just like you are doing again. you did not know who would win 2nd shield and tell us it could be used on anyone later on
(it is unusual for wolves to be allowed to attack themselves in games)
Again acting dumb, nobody is saying wolves attacked themselves!
or are you assuming as a traitor I missed that part and it has now come back to haunt me?
Well the truth is I told the truth that I could give it to anyone and as a villager it never dawned on me that Someone would start this story.
Yes, your story is plausible as I've already said, but what are the chances of it being true? I've never seen a villager push this hard on something that might or might not be true this late in the game but I have seen wolves do it.
Are you saying you believe I am a wolf? What would be my motivation? Sure if i say nothing, who is going to banish me?
So you banish me, I'm village,
expore what happens when you flip traitor.
you turn around and say, sorry got it wrong guys, you have then just removed, up until probably yesterday, the most village player in the game. the traitors will walk to victory at that point. If you are traitor, well played Gordon
(20-01-2023, 01:05 PM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 12:01 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, so you didn’t vote for griar, you voted for a possibility of a coin toss, only if moe voted friar also. That’s the only time you haven’t voted a faithful.
So do you think I went along with Zeena in that case, yeah? Double traitor bus on Friar?
?
No, i've never explored you being a traitor? I had you lean faithful?
(20-01-2023, 01:10 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 01:05 PM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: [ -> ]So do you think I went along with Zeena in that case, yeah? Double traitor bus on Friar?
?
No, i've never explored you being a traitor? I had you lean faithful?
Oh, I've completely missread your post so. I thought you were saying Zeena was indicating to me to bring it to a tie
God the paranoia is real
(20-01-2023, 12:00 PM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 11:50 AM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: [ -> ]Not claimed the prize so all of team two was under a shield.
but I’m not a traitor who won the shield, so how i’d do it as a faithful isn’t how it was done.
You didn’t need to mention shields as prize, it’s the only real prize gift on the show, it would be a given that a shields was won.
Did it matter if a team 1 or team 2 villager was murdered?
So I don't mention it, they murder a team 1 player, I was always going to protect myself in a non rolled game
I mention it, traitored get nervous thinking anyone might be protected, in the end it worked out, they missed a kill.
So from my pov of view it worked out better, obviously yous dont know for sure that I'm village, but when the game ends or I die you might change your opinion.
you didn't mention it could be used on anyone until day 2, before you won the 2nd sheild. How do you know the traitored got nervous?
you bringing up that traitors can't kill themselves reinforces this.
fact, a shielded player was attacked.
you orchestrated that.
Occam's razor says the simplest solution is most likely the correct solution, and that's the simplest solution.
I'll be voting you for banishment.
Weyland the Blacksmith casts a proxy vote for Zeena Warrior Princess
Vote Weyland
If I'm going guys, look hard at weyland and Gordon, those are my best bets.
Vote Zeena
Sorry, I had you as solid Faithful but can’t explain the failed Traitor kill N1.
(17-01-2023, 10:57 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote: [ -> ]If you vote for friar zeena I will too.
I'll take the 1 in 3 chance to get the friar. Otherwise I'm voting Edward.
(17-01-2023, 10:58 PM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: [ -> ]Vote Dora
Could've brought Friar in, but didn't. Can you explain what the thinking was here Zeena?
My top two suspects are voting each other.
(20-01-2023, 02:23 PM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: [ -> ] (17-01-2023, 10:57 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote: [ -> ]If you vote for friar zeena I will too.
I'll take the 1 in 3 chance to get the friar. Otherwise I'm voting Edward.
(17-01-2023, 10:58 PM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: [ -> ]Vote Dora
Could've brought Friar in, but didn't. Can you explain what the thinking was here Zeena?
I had nothing on Friar that time, I had Eddie village and didn't trust Dora would vote Friar also.
Only one player voted Friar that night, this is a weak argument against me
(20-01-2023, 02:31 PM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: [ -> ] (20-01-2023, 02:23 PM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: [ -> ]Could've brought Friar in, but didn't. Can you explain what the thinking was here Zeena?
I had nothing on Friar that time, I had Eddie village and didn't trust Dora would vote Friar also.
Only one player voted Friar that night, this is a weak argument against me
I only asked you to explain it, who said it was an argument against you? The reaction is more important