The Traitors- Boards/FOG Edition

[Ina May the Midwife]

I wasn’t spamming. I was putting all a single players posts within the timeframe of free lynch last night to munch this morning to look for clues for Magda’s murder in plain sight.

It could have been as simple as spelling out her name over consecutive posts so batching all a players posts would make it easier to spot things like that!

I know I said Magda in above paragraphs but that was the name we weee told at the stage I posted.

Yeah I don't think what you were doing was spamming. It was also useful to read a few blocks from posters. I found the timing of it from Gordon odd.

He had no issue with you searching posts to highlight how Magda was killed in plain sight.

4 mins after Lorc points out the error he thinks you're spamming the thread, no one else find this odd?

When we wasn't providing any insight or commentary whatsoever, I was thinking to myself that it wasn't adding much and could easily be a traitor trying to look helpful - however, shortly afterwards, he did provide some insight with trying to relate the "Poo" post to Magda so I let it go.

[Rhoda the Spinster]

So the consensus is to run Zenna and Betty tonight or use the insta banish on one of them now?

Or would banishing Laura basically clear betty and vincent if she flips good?

I'd rather race Pat, Prada and Gordon as most likely to have killed Maeve. I personally think Prada is the most likely of those three.

I have no idea why we are continuing down the path of regarding people who own up to prizes as more suss than people who are good suspects for a murder.

[Ina May the Midwife]

I'm finding it difficult to keep up with the thread so far partly as I'm new to the game, partly because the usernames are all new to me and hard.to distinguish and also life is a bit busy at the moment. I'm not online all day like I would be at work.
Any tips from any recent newbies for getting your head around the game?
Also, I have an idea what wagonomics means but if anyone would.like to give me a definition please do !

Wagonomics is where voting patterns are analysed in hinsight to assess whether someone is likely to be traitor / faithful - for example, if Ben had been a traitor and it was Betty's last minute vote that banished him, it would make her look much more faithful than traitor (although you need to watch out for "bussing" where a traitor votes for a fellow traitor to make themselves look faithful

If you're struggling to know where to vote, I'd recommend considering the top 2-3 names in the voting and deciding which you think seems more like a traitor - a single vote on someone doesn't tell us much from a wagonomics point of view

[Gordon the Cook]

I wasn’t spamming. I was putting all a single players posts within the timeframe of free lynch last night to munch this morning to look for clues for Magda’s murder in plain sight.

It could have been as simple as spelling out her name over consecutive posts so batching all a players posts would make it easier to spot things like that!

I know I said Magda in above paragraphs but that was the name we weee told at the stage I posted.

Yeah I don't think what you were doing was spamming. It was also useful to read a few blocks from posters. I found the timing of it from Gordon odd.

He had no issue with you searching posts to highlight how Magda was killed in plain sight.

4 mins after Lorc points out the error he thinks you're spamming the thread, no one else find this odd?

i was scrolling trying to find the competition to enter, and all these pages upon pages of yesterdays posts. it was a lot of scrolling to find the competition.
then i entered it, and then i done the tally, and i didn't even get a stupid drink.
i didn't want one of the silly drinks anyhow. keep you silly drinks.

[Donald the Spoofer]

So the consensus is to run Zenna and Betty tonight or use the insta banish on one of them now?

Or would banishing Laura basically clear betty and vincent if she flips good?

I'd rather race Pat, Prada and Gordon as most likely to have killed Maeve. I personally think Prada is the most likely of those three.

I have no idea why we are continuing down the path of regarding people who own up to prizes as more suss than people who are good suspects for a murder.

Yea I'd agree with that second part, especailly a prize that can't be easily proven without flipping someone. You are basically putting a target on your back.

[Laura the Lace Mistress]

Obvious in the "mob" sense. So many people are on her, that if she was a traitor, it would be seen as a waste.

I've checked back over your posts Laura and they don't really back up your assertion that you "never bought into Betty being a traitor":

These two from this morning where you seem to be getting on board the Betty train:

"I might be leaning into the Betty theory. If it was self preservation, why not vote for the person with the most votes (Zeena), instead of the person with just one vote more than her (Ben). There must have been some other reason she choose Ben rather than Zeena (has she provided that already)."

"neither Betty nor Friar made their intention to vote for Benji known before the vote. They never had any suspicion on him.... yet they voted for him. To me, that feels suss."

Whereas yesterday you seemed much cooler on it with these two posts:

"The Betty theory is interesting but it could just have been coincidence with the timing"

"I don't see any weight in the suspicion against Betty over the timing of her posts. Feels like pulling on a thread due to lack of other threads."

This type of inconsistency doesn't give me a warm feeling about you

That's literally the passage of time showing a consistent starting position of not buying into the theory around the timing of Betty's posts yesterday and then having a small doubt introduced over two events...
1. the vote last night and
2. the post that showed the exact timeline of the vote last night

[Gordon the Cook]

So the consensus is to run Zenna and Betty tonight or use the insta banish on one of them now?

Or would banishing Laura basically clear betty and vincent if she flips good?

What, treat laura, betty and vincent as clear today. don't banish any of them.

[Ina May the Midwife]

So the consensus is to run Zenna and Betty tonight or use the insta banish on one of them now?

Or would banishing Laura basically clear betty and vincent if she flips good?

I'd rather race Pat, Prada and Gordon as most likely to have killed Maeve. I personally think Prada is the most likely of those three.

I have no idea why we are continuing down the path of regarding people who own up to prizes as more suss than people who are good suspects for a murder.

There's a massive logic to racing Zeena - the extra vote last night saved her from banishment!

The Betty theory is unrelated to her winning a prize - it related to her entering the competition

Out of the three "Maeve suspects", why Prada? I'd have Pat as my top pick there, my only niggle is that it seems too obvious. 

I'll be offline now for a little while but should be back in decent time for voting

[Laura the Lace Mistress]

I find it interesting that since I've cleared Betty as a faithful, that Ina has it in for me. I get that everyone is a suspect but she's going straight for me on this. If I get banished in a charge led by her... look there.

Can you show me where I have it in for you?

Literally the post prior to this one where you do a reverse timeline of my posts to make it skew that I started out "pro-Betty" to later being a bit suss so that you could frame it as "inconsistent"

[Betty the Beggar]

So this clears Betty and by extension Vincent.

Laura remains unknown for now but this is useful info and a good use of a peek so heavily leaning village.

This doesn't clear anyone

If we banish Betty and she flips faithful, it clears Vincent but gives us nothing on Laura; if she flips traitor, it gives us Laura but nothing on Vincent

If we banish Laura and she flips faithful, it clears Betty and Vincent; if she flips traitor, it gives us Betty but nothing on Vincent

If we banish Vincent and he flips faithful, it gives us nothing; if he flips traitor, it gives us Betty & Laura

Personally, I see Vincent as likely faithful so I'd leave him

I see Betty as likely traitor (based on her very first action in the game being entering the comp and also her "self-pres" (but not actually self-pres) vote on Ben last night) so that's where I had been planning to vote

I hadn't really noticed Laura much but based on the logic above, it would make more sense to banish her as a proxy for Betty since that provides more information. Her making this play now though would be very high risk considering she had been receiving no heat and Betty was/is at high risk of banishment. I'll need to think about this a but more and maybe review Laura's previous posts

I hear if you dig up the way you can sometimes get out of a tunnel

[Gordon the Cook]

I'm finding it difficult to keep up with the thread so far partly as I'm new to the game, partly because the usernames are all new to me and hard.to distinguish and also life is a bit busy at the moment. I'm not online all day like I would be at work.
Any tips from any recent newbies for getting your head around the game?
Also, I have an idea what wagonomics means but if anyone would.like to give me a definition please do !

when the voting is tallied, you are left with the voting results.
the people voting for, lets say ben, are said to have jumped on the ben bandwagon.
so we call each of the lines in the results a wagon.
wagonomics is like a made up term, for doing analysis of the voting results, to see any interesting things that can be found,
ben flipped faithful, so was there a traitor on the ben wagon?
if there is 3 or 4 traitors total, where are they likely hiding. You can look at the voting results table and make some assumptions.

This act is wagonomics.

[Laura the Lace Mistress]

My current #1 suspect is Friar. That is based on my earlier post where I was suss about the voting pattern last night where only Betty and Friar had no prior opinion on Benji but still voted.

I acceptted Betty's response (you can see I thanked her post at the time), but I'm still suss of Friar.

[Gordon the Cook]

I'd rather race Pat, Prada and Gordon as most likely to have killed Maeve. I personally think Prada is the most likely of those three.

I have no idea why we are continuing down the path of regarding people who own up to prizes as more suss than people who are good suspects for a murder.

Yea I'd agree with that second part, especailly a prize that can't be easily proven without flipping someone. You are basically putting a target on your back.

Traitors are very unlikely ever going to reveal anything they win. revealing is already a good sign. tinfoil them tomorrow, not today.

[lorcand1990]

Players, here we are again at the Round Table for your second banishment. Last night, you voted out one of your own. Have you learned anything from this? What doesn’t make sense to you, what doesn’t add up?

As I mentioned, tonight’s banishment is a little bit different. It will be a double elimination. That means 2 players will be leaving the game tonight. Are you ready?

The floor, or should I say the table, is yours.

ROUND TABLE DISCUSSION HAS BEGUN

Voting will take place between 8.30 & 9.30pm.

[Countess Markievicz]

I'm finding it difficult to keep up with the thread so far partly as I'm new to the game, partly because the usernames are all new to me and hard.to distinguish and also life is a bit busy at the moment. I'm not online all day like I would be at work.
Any tips from any recent newbies for getting your head around the game?
Also, I have an idea what wagonomics means but if anyone would.like to give me a definition please do !

 Same here tbh. Catching up now and a bit lost but trying to get my head around all the he said/she said.

[Laura the Lace Mistress]

Friar for me as stated above. You just seem to be sitting back and then you vote like you did last night. I'm not locked in though so I'm open to hearing you out. Ina's behaviour since I got the seer power has me wondering if she is an eager faithful barking up the wrong tree or a traitor hiding behind a plausable accusation against me to get me (a faithful) banished.

[Friar Tuck]

I'm finding it difficult to keep up with the thread so far partly as I'm new to the game, partly because the usernames are all new to me and hard.to distinguish and also life is a bit busy at the moment. I'm not online all day like I would be at work.
Any tips from any recent newbies for getting your head around the game?
Also, I have an idea what wagonomics means but if anyone would.like to give me a definition please do !

when the voting is tallied, you are left with the voting results.
the people voting for, lets say ben, are said to have jumped on the ben bandwagon.
so we call each of the lines in the results a wagon.
wagonomics is like a made up term, for doing analysis of the voting results, to see any interesting things that can be found,
ben flipped faithful, so was there a traitor on the ben wagon?
if there is 3 or 4 traitors total, where are they likely hiding. You can look at the voting results table and make some assumptions.

This act is wagonomics.

Thanks for these responses, that does help me a bit 😊

[Donald the Spoofer]

Yea I'd agree with that second part, especailly a prize that can't be easily proven without flipping someone. You are basically putting a target on your back.

Traitors are very unlikely ever going to reveal anything they win. revealing is already a good sign. tinfoil them tomorrow, not today.

Ok then we put aside William, McDonald, Betty, Laura, and myself for now

I would like to use this insta banish before regular banish, so can we get some names. 

There was likely another prize won yesterday, possibly the double vote, so from those 10 who won the task yesterday, I need to go back and check

There was also likely more prizes won today, although there were less players winning today, possibly another prize that wasnt claimed, need to check who won today. Need to check if any of those were not online since

[Gordon the Cook]

Friar for me as stated above. You just seem to be sitting back and then you vote like you did last night. I'm not locked in though so I'm open to hearing you out. Ina's behaviour since I got the seer power has me wondering if she is an eager faithful barking up the wrong tree or a traitor hiding behind a plausable accusation against me to get me (a faithful) banished.

I think they were so tunneled on betty being traitor, that you saying that you peeked them green can only be a lie.
They will think it through andget out of their tunnel. tunneling like that is a faithful trait, and i'd see ina as more faithful for it than not.

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

I'd rather race Pat, Prada and Gordon as most likely to have killed Maeve. I personally think Prada is the most likely of those three.

I have no idea why we are continuing down the path of regarding people who own up to prizes as more suss than people who are good suspects for a murder.

There's a massive logic to racing Zeena - the extra vote last night saved her from banishment!

The Betty theory is unrelated to her winning a prize - it related to her entering the competition

Out of the three "Maeve suspects", why Prada? I'd have Pat as my top pick there, my only niggle is that it seems too obvious. 

I'll be offline now for a little while but should be back in decent time for voting

Id agree. Zeena tied with Benji, an unclaimed power led to Benji going and Zeena staying. Why the effort to eliminate Benji/Save Zeena.

[Friar Tuck]

Friar for me as stated above. You just seem to be sitting back and then you vote like you did last night. I'm not locked in though so I'm open to hearing you out. Ina's behaviour since I got the seer power has me wondering if she is an eager faithful barking up the wrong tree or a traitor hiding behind a plausable accusation against me to get me (a faithful) banished.

As I said earlier I'm overwhelmed rather than 'sitting back' and I'm finding it tricky trying to take in all the opinions and different threads of discussion at once. I'm sure I'll get used to it!

[Friar Tuck]

I'm finding it difficult to keep up with the thread so far partly as I'm new to the game, partly because the usernames are all new to me and hard.to distinguish and also life is a bit busy at the moment. I'm not online all day like I would be at work.
Any tips from any recent newbies for getting your head around the game?
Also, I have an idea what wagonomics means but if anyone would.like to give me a definition please do !

Wagonomics is where voting patterns are analysed in hinsight to assess whether someone is likely to be traitor / faithful - for example, if Ben had been a traitor and it was Betty's last minute vote that banished him, it would make her look much more faithful than traitor (although you need to watch out for "bussing" where a traitor votes for a fellow traitor to make themselves look faithful

If you're struggling to know where to vote, I'd recommend considering the top 2-3 names in the voting and deciding which you think seems more like a traitor - a single vote on someone doesn't tell us much from a wagonomics point of view

Thanks for this @Ina May the Midwife ,I thought I'd quoted you in my earlier post, sorry

[Rhoda the Spinster]

Could someone do a post count and show all the posts of the lowest five posters. Lilly is obviously contributing nothing but there are others like Chris hiding low as well.

They are no loss even if they are faithful.

My most suspect is Prada. The post were they ask Maeve three questions looks like a task in retrospect.

I'm happy to park that if people don't want to lose an obvious traitor and vote to banish elsewhere for the moment.

[Ina May the Midwife]

Can you show me where I have it in for you?

Literally the post prior to this one where you do a reverse timeline of my posts to make it skew that I started out "pro-Betty" to later being a bit suss so that you could frame it as "inconsistent"

That's after you made that post though so you can't possibly have been referring to that one - in which of my earlier posts did I have it in for you?

There's a difference between asking legitimate questions and having it in for you

[Gordon the Cook]

Traitors are very unlikely ever going to reveal anything they win. revealing is already a good sign. tinfoil them tomorrow, not today.

Ok then we put aside William, McDonald, Betty, Laura, and myself for now

I would like to use this insta banish before regular banish, so can we get some names. 

There was likely another prize won yesterday, possibly the double vote, so from those 10 who won the task yesterday, I need to go back and check

There was also likely more prizes won today, although there were less players winning today, possibly another prize that wasnt claimed, need to check who won today. Need to check if any of those were not online since

i've said it already, but it would be nice to resolve the zeena wagon.
if it was traitor v faithful, that help us a lot.
we can't do wagonomics until we flip a traitor.

[Ina May the Midwife]

This doesn't clear anyone

If we banish Betty and she flips faithful, it clears Vincent but gives us nothing on Laura; if she flips traitor, it gives us Laura but nothing on Vincent

If we banish Laura and she flips faithful, it clears Betty and Vincent; if she flips traitor, it gives us Betty but nothing on Vincent

If we banish Vincent and he flips faithful, it gives us nothing; if he flips traitor, it gives us Betty & Laura

Personally, I see Vincent as likely faithful so I'd leave him

I see Betty as likely traitor (based on her very first action in the game being entering the comp and also her "self-pres" (but not actually self-pres) vote on Ben last night) so that's where I had been planning to vote

I hadn't really noticed Laura much but based on the logic above, it would make more sense to banish her as a proxy for Betty since that provides more information. Her making this play now though would be very high risk considering she had been receiving no heat and Betty was/is at high risk of banishment. I'll need to think about this a but more and maybe review Laura's previous posts

I hear if you dig up the way you can sometimes get out of a tunnel

Tbf, the Laura peek has me questioning myself where I was previously sure about you being a traitor. 

I'm happy to park it for now on the basis that it would be a huge risk for Laura to fake a peek to save you

[Gordon the Cook]

Could someone do a post count and show all the posts of the lowest five posters. Lilly is obviously contributing nothing but there are others like Chris hiding low as well.

They are no loss even if they are faithful.

My most suspect is Prada. The post were they ask Maeve three questions looks like a task in retrospect.

I'm happy to park that if people don't want to lose an obvious traitor and vote to banish elsewhere for the moment.

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lorcand1990             31

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Donald the Spoofer         30

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Benjamin the Alchemist         29

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Laura the Lace Mistress     28

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Zeena Warrior Princess         27

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Friar Tuck             23

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Magda the Maid             15

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Boris the Fool             14

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Chris the Carpenter         13

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Countess Markievicz         10

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Maeve the Madam         8

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Lilly the Millennial         3

[Gordon the Cook]

Well, that was crap formatting.

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Total Posts: 865
User     # Posts
McDonald the Farmer         81
Gordon the Cook         66
Vincent the Artist         65
Amy the Singer             62
William the Grave Robber    59
Rhoda the Spinster         49
Pat the Baker             47
Dora the Explorer         44
Betty the Beggar         42
Weyland the Blacksmith         41
Ina May the Midwife         39
Prada the Seamstress         39
lorcand1990             31    
Donald the Spoofer         30    
Benjamin the Alchemist         29
Laura the Lace Mistress     28
Zeena Warrior Princess         27
Friar Tuck             23
Magda the Maid             15
Boris the Fool             14
Chris the Carpenter         13
Countess Markievicz         10
Maeve the Madam         8
Lilly the Millennial         3

[Gordon the Cook]

Could someone do a post count and show all the posts of the lowest five posters. Lilly is obviously contributing nothing but there are others like Chris hiding low as well.

They are no loss even if they are faithful.

My most suspect is Prada. The post were they ask Maeve three questions looks like a task in retrospect.

I'm happy to park that if people don't want to lose an obvious traitor and vote to banish elsewhere for the moment.

do you have a post # for that?

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

Some poor contributions based on that post count so far

[Donald the Spoofer]

Ok, I'm going to banish Zeena, in the next 10 minutes. Seems it could help with wagonomics.

If anyone objects speak now

[Laura the Lace Mistress]

I got seer prize. Tempted to use on Betty but is she an obvious traitor and therefore a waste. Zenna, Ina and Friar are the others I'd really like to get an answer on.

The problem with using it on Betty is that since she's suspected by many of being a traitor - if you say she's not, we'll still need to flip one of you to verify that you're not a traitor.

I'd probably peek Zeena as her flip might tell us more about the wagonomics last night

First post after my reveal on Betty and you're suggesting banishing one of us.

I never bought into the theory around the timing of her first posts anyway. Only that last minute vote last night gave me a moments doubt.

"Tempted to use on Betty but is she an obvious traitor"

Sorry, which is it - you never bought into Betty being a traitor or Betty's an obvious traitor?

Nitpicking... though fair enough the phrasing I used was a bit unclear.

I mean... I don't disagree with you. I never supported the Betty theory and now here I am saying I KNOW she's a faithful. Pretty risky move though, if she was a traitor? So, she gets voted out, reveals she is a traitor and now the faithfuls have Vincent AND me. 3 traitors with one stone. Why would I do that?

I agree that it would be a risky move for you but in what way would the faithfuls have Vincent if Betty flips as a traitor?

There was a fairly clear link between Betty and Vincent at this point but you're probing me over it.

I hadn't really noticed Laura much but based on the logic above, it would make more sense to banish her as a proxy for Betty since that provides more information. Her making this play now though would be very high risk considering she had been receiving no heat and Betty was/is at high risk of banishment. I'll need to think about this a but more and maybe review Laura's previous posts

Again suggesting to banish me "as a proxy" test.

Obvious in the "mob" sense. So many people are on her, that if she was a traitor, it would be seen as a waste.

I've checked back over your posts Laura and they don't really back up your assertion that you "never bought into Betty being a traitor":

These two from this morning where you seem to be getting on board the Betty train:

"I might be leaning into the Betty theory. If it was self preservation, why not vote for the person with the most votes (Zeena), instead of the person with just one vote more than her (Ben). There must have been some other reason she choose Ben rather than Zeena (has she provided that already)."

"neither Betty nor Friar made their intention to vote for Benji known before the vote. They never had any suspicion on him.... yet they voted for him. To me, that feels suss."

Whereas yesterday you seemed much cooler on it with these two posts:

"The Betty theory is interesting but it could just have been coincidence with the timing"

"I don't see any weight in the suspicion against Betty over the timing of her posts. Feels like pulling on a thread due to lack of other threads."

This type of inconsistency doesn't give me a warm feeling about you

As I said before, I think the way you staged the timeline of my posts here is trying to hide the natural timeline of my opinion on Betty.

I hear if you dig up the way you can sometimes get out of a tunnel

Tbf, the Laura peek has me questioning myself where I was previously sure about you being a traitor. 

I'm happy to park it for now on the basis that it would be a huge risk for Laura to fake a peek to save you

On this last post (not about me)... one read I have on it that you are trying to set me up to be banished and realign yourself with Betty before that because you know both she and I are faithful so you are making amends ahead of that becoming common knowledge.

As I said though, I can't work out are you an enthusiastic faithful or a traitor. I'll see how the evening plays out.

[Rhoda the Spinster]

Answers sent I think. I know it's too late but can you confirm they went through. I'm not used to this interface so had to make a couple of attempts.
Thanks.

@Maeve the Madam what are your thoughts? You appeared around the time of the task also? Did you get an alert telling you?

@Gordon the Cook It is post #220

[Donald the Spoofer]

Order in

[Pat the Baker]

Ok, I'm going to banish Zeena, in the next 10 minutes. Seems it could help with wagonomics.

If anyone objects speak now

Is this on the basis of Betty trying to save her with her vote last night or did I miss something?

[lorcand1990]

An Insta Banishment has been used!

[lorcand1990]

@Zeena Warrior Princess you have been banished from the castle immediately

Please reveal if you are a faithful or traitor

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

mcdonald, can you stop flooding the thread. its making it unreadable and only helping the traitors.

Ive been on a flight from Lanzarote so just catching up, I found Mcs posts helpful. I've seen the clarification from Lorc and find this post interesting. Why would McDonald looking for the murder in plain sight help the traitors? The thread wasnt a mile a minute and hardly flooded, seems a reach to me particularly with the clarification that followed

Folks, I've just been Elevenerifed.

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

Eleven-erifed. (Tenerife)

[Dora the Explorer]

Friar for me as stated above. You just seem to be sitting back and then you vote like you did last night. I'm not locked in though so I'm open to hearing you out. Ina's behaviour since I got the seer power has me wondering if she is an eager faithful barking up the wrong tree or a traitor hiding behind a plausable accusation against me to get me (a faithful) banished.

As I said earlier I'm overwhelmed rather than 'sitting back' and I'm finding it tricky trying to take in all the opinions and different threads of discussion at once. I'm sure I'll get used to it!

What do you mean by different threads of discussion?