The Traitors- Boards/FOG Edition

[William the Grave Robber]

So if I remove my newly established faithful core and subtract them from the 10 winners of yesterday's game, it leaves

Benji
Ina
Prada
Friar
Laura( won a seer prize today)
Pat.

I think one of Benji, Ina, Prada, Friar or Pat is a wolf and used a vote power won yesterday

Errrr Benji was lynched last night, Wills.

Cheers McD. And then there were 4.
Narrows the pool even further.

[Betty the Beggar]

It could be Gordon's misspelling. I had gone back and checked the post count that someone had put up, to see if the mechanism was to change that number (it wasn't) but it could be something very small, almost unnoticeable like that. The misspelling wouldn't show up on a search for Maeve either

[Vincent the Artist]

Who do we suggest is banished now?

Still need to figure out if Maeve’s murder in plain sight was a night action. If it was it was between 9.30 last night and 10am this morning.

It certainly leaves us in a pickle. Either we accept that Betty and Laura have been on the level or we don't. The "evidence" would suggest they're clean but Betty's vote last night was odd at death.

I posted a little bit above as well about something Gordon posted thats a bit odd before the voting ended about the spelling of mauve/maeve curious if anyone else sees anything there.

[Lilly the Millennial]

@Pat the Baker I keep forgetting, that what it's like being a young millennium!

[Betty the Beggar]

So if I remove my newly established faithful core and subtract them from the 10 winners of yesterday's game, it leaves

Benji
Ina
Prada
Friar
Laura( won a seer prize today)
Pat.

I think one of Benji, Ina, Prada, Friar or Pat is a wolf and used a vote power won yesterday

Prada is the obvious choice since she also name checked Maeve on thread. I'd be in favour of Pat or Ina also but that might just be because they had a hard on for banishing me

[William the Grave Robber]

@Pat the Baker I keep forgetting, that what it's like being a young millennium!

I would insta banish for this post alone!

Pat as the heavy posting traitor, Lilly as the low lying one. Nice little interaction between you two.

[Rhoda the Spinster]

Answers sent I think. I know it's too late but can you confirm they went through. I'm not used to this interface so had to make a couple of attempts.
Thanks.

@Maeve the Madam what are your thoughts? You appeared around the time of the task also? Did you get an alert telling you?

This is were Pat interacted with Maeve. 
The post is in the form of three questions. The second question would make more sense as a statement IMO.
This looks like they had to ask someone three questions in a row to kill in plain sight.

Persuade me otherwise.

[McDonald the Farmer]

Bona fide newbie to WW/Traitors games. Does it all just happen in this one thread?

Made note to ask you about this today as the no lynching noobs rule was in play yesterday. 

Why would you be asking about other threads?

[Rhoda the Spinster]

@Maeve the Madam what are your thoughts? You appeared around the time of the task also? Did you get an alert telling you?

This is were Pat interacted with Maeve. 
The post is in the form of three questions. The second question would make more sense as a statement IMO.
This looks like they had to ask someone three questions in a row to kill in plain sight.

Persuade me otherwise.

That should read Prada!!

[Vincent the Artist]

Starting to feel a little like this with the theories coming through and some with some plausibility.

[McDonald the Farmer]

Who do we suggest is banished now?

Still need to figure out if Maeve’s murder in plain sight was a night action. If it was it was between 9.30 last night and 10am this morning.

It certainly leaves us in a pickle. Either we accept that Betty and Laura have been on the level or we don't. The "evidence" would suggest they're clean but Betty's vote last night was odd at death.

I posted a little bit above as well about something Gordon posted thats a bit odd before the voting ended about the spelling of mauve/maeve curious if anyone else sees anything there.

Id noticed it too as he replied to me last night during the night phase with a vote count and I had to tap to expand.

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

mcdonald, can you stop flooding the thread. its making it unreadable and only helping the traitors.

Ive been on a flight from Lanzarote so just catching up, I found Mcs posts helpful. I've seen the clarification from Lorc and find this post interesting. Why would McDonald looking for the murder in plain sight help the traitors? The thread wasnt a mile a minute and hardly flooded, seems a reach to me particularly with the clarification that followed

[McDonald the Farmer]

Oh I just realised. On the show when you murder in plain sight they don’t die instantly but the next day. They usually have one of those funeral processions for them. Am I correct in that?

[Gordon the Cook]

I got seer prize. Tempted to use on Betty but is she an obvious traitor and therefore a waste. Zenna, Ina and Friar are the others I'd really like to get an answer on.

don't use it on sonebody who is most likely already going to be lynched, like betty or zeena. use it on somebody who is not so likely to be lynched, but also not being all that helpful.

[Betty the Beggar]

@Maeve the Madam what are your thoughts? You appeared around the time of the task also? Did you get an alert telling you?

This is were Pat interacted with Maeve. 
The post is in the form of three questions. The second question would make more sense as a statement IMO.
This looks like they had to ask someone three questions in a row to kill in plain sight.

Persuade me otherwise.

I like this theory

[Vincent the Artist]

I'm tempted to go towards Gordon, leaving my previous prejudices at the door for the moment.

Also don't rule out the chance of a traitor leading thr charge on another traitor to gain cred. Especially if the receiving traitor would be happy to bow out of the game in a useful manner. This may not be the case but is a tactic as the Traitors in this case may be playing for a "team" win unlike the show where there's prize money to be had.

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

ooooh, quick response....

Betty the Beggar is.... Faithful

So this clears Betty and by extension Vincent.

Laura remains unknown for now but this is useful info and a good use of a peek so heavily leaning village.

[Ina May the Midwife]

The problem with using it on Betty is that since she's suspected by many of being a traitor - if you say she's not, we'll still need to flip one of you to verify that you're not a traitor.

I'd probably peek Zeena as her flip might tell us more about the wagonomics last night

I mean... I don't disagree with you. I never supported the Betty theory and now here I am saying I KNOW she's a faithful. Pretty risky move though, if she was a traitor? So, she gets voted out, reveals she is a traitor and now the faithfuls have Vincent AND me. 3 traitors with one stone. Why would I do that?

I agree that it would be a risky move for you but in what way would the faithfuls have Vincent if Betty flips as a traitor?

[Vincent the Artist]

Oh I just realised. On the show when you murder in plain sight they don’t die instantly but the next day. They usually have one of those funeral processions for them. Am I correct in that?

Think that's only when they do the on trial or funeral bit, Murder in plain sight acts that very night.

[Rhoda the Spinster]

I don't mind what McDonald is posting in general, but spamming the thread with user posts is the kind of thing that seems helpful but doesn't really focus anyone. Can be a way for traitors to engage in the hunt without really hunting.

For what it's worth Gordon is on my potential sketch pile at the moment.

[Laura the Lace Mistress]

I mean... I don't disagree with you. I never supported the Betty theory and now here I am saying I KNOW she's a faithful. Pretty risky move though, if she was a traitor? So, she gets voted out, reveals she is a traitor and now the faithfuls have Vincent AND me. 3 traitors with one stone. Why would I do that?

I agree that it would be a risky move for you but in what way would the faithfuls have Vincent if Betty flips as a traitor?

Wasn't one of the theories that Betty lied about Ben and Vincent being aligned. So if Betty was a traitor, that would give more credence to that theory.

[Laura the Lace Mistress]

ooooh, quick response....

Betty the Beggar is.... Faithful

So this clears Betty and by extension Vincent.

Laura remains unknown for now but this is useful info and a good use of a peek so heavily leaning village.

If I'm "unknown", surely my information is of unknown value too?

.... to be pedantic about it. I'm a faithful though.

[Vincent the Artist]

So this clears Betty and by extension Vincent.

Laura remains unknown for now but this is useful info and a good use of a peek so heavily leaning village.

If I'm "unknown", surely my information is of unknown value too?

.... to be pedantic about it. I'm a faithful though.

What would be great is if I won a peak tomorrow (assuming I live 😂) and have a look at you to check

[Ina May the Midwife]

ooooh, quick response....

Betty the Beggar is.... Faithful

So this clears Betty and by extension Vincent.

Laura remains unknown for now but this is useful info and a good use of a peek so heavily leaning village.

This doesn't clear anyone

If we banish Betty and she flips faithful, it clears Vincent but gives us nothing on Laura; if she flips traitor, it gives us Laura but nothing on Vincent

If we banish Laura and she flips faithful, it clears Betty and Vincent; if she flips traitor, it gives us Betty but nothing on Vincent

If we banish Vincent and he flips faithful, it gives us nothing; if he flips traitor, it gives us Betty & Laura

Personally, I see Vincent as likely faithful so I'd leave him

I see Betty as likely traitor (based on her very first action in the game being entering the comp and also her "self-pres" (but not actually self-pres) vote on Ben last night) so that's where I had been planning to vote

I hadn't really noticed Laura much but based on the logic above, it would make more sense to banish her as a proxy for Betty since that provides more information. Her making this play now though would be very high risk considering she had been receiving no heat and Betty was/is at high risk of banishment. I'll need to think about this a but more and maybe review Laura's previous posts

[Rhoda the Spinster]

There was no murder pool announced today.

Is that what Lorc meant by balancing things behind the scenes?

[Ina May the Midwife]

I agree that it would be a risky move for you but in what way would the faithfuls have Vincent if Betty flips as a traitor?

Wasn't one of the theories that Betty lied about Ben and Vincent being aligned. So if Betty was a traitor, that would give more credence to that theory.

She could have lied about the prize (say she got an alignment when she really got a vote tamper for instance) and obviosuly a traitor knows everyone's alignment so it's easy to pick two and say they're aligned with zero risk

[Vincent the Artist]

There was no murder pool announced today.

Is that what Lorc meant by balancing things behind the scenes?

I expect it just means that the Traitors can pick any of the faithful to murder but likely nerfed some other ability to keep it fair.

[Gordon the Cook]

So if I remove my newly established faithful core and subtract them from the 10 winners of yesterday's game, it leaves

Benji
Ina
Prada
Friar
Laura( won a seer prize today)
Pat.

I think one of Benji, Ina, Prada, Friar or Pat is a wolf and used a vote power won yesterday

ben is a dead faithful

[Rhoda the Spinster]

I think Betty has been genuinely helpful in flagging interaction posts to try and solve the kill in plain sight.

The not fully committed self pres aside, Benji was amongst the top wagon so it's a bit much to claim it as some kind of outrageous vote.

At this stage I'd rather take it that Betty, Laura and Vincent are faithful rather than killing all faithfuls who win prizes to ensure their purity.

[Gordon the Cook]

It could be Gordon's misspelling. I had gone back and checked the post count that someone had put up, to see if the mechanism was to change that number (it wasn't) but it could be something very small, almost unnoticeable like that. The misspelling wouldn't show up on a search for Maeve either

okay, what would that task be. if you want to kill mauve in plain sight, type maeve in a post? if you want to kill william post willaim in a postif you want to kill betty post bettie in a post. really. you think the lorc is going to givetwenty odd diffiernt spellings, and all you need to do is post a misspelling in a post somewhere?

[Rhoda the Spinster]

So if I remove my newly established faithful core and subtract them from the 10 winners of yesterday's game, it leaves

Benji
Ina
Prada
Friar
Laura( won a seer prize today)
Pat.

I think one of Benji, Ina, Prada, Friar or Pat is a wolf and used a vote power won yesterday

ben is a dead faithful

How does this list line up with people who voted for Benji if we assume someone one a double vote?
If someone one a block that is unknowable using wagonomics.

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

So this clears Betty and by extension Vincent.

Laura remains unknown for now but this is useful info and a good use of a peek so heavily leaning village.

If I'm "unknown", surely my information is of unknown value too?

.... to be pedantic about it. I'm a faithful though.

You do realise just because you reveal someone is good, it doesn't reveal your alignment. In fact, if you said she was bad and flipped bad then you'd be more believable. I believe you, but to be pedantic, you're still technically an unknown

[Friar Tuck]

Just catching up here, no prize PM for me either for the record.

[Laura the Lace Mistress]

I find it interesting that since I've cleared Betty as a faithful, that Ina has it in for me. I get that everyone is a suspect but she's going straight for me on this. If I get banished in a charge led by her... look there.

[McDonald the Farmer]

I wasn’t spamming. I was putting all a single players posts within the timeframe of free lynch last night to munch this morning to look for clues for Magda’s murder in plain sight.

It could have been as simple as spelling out her name over consecutive posts so batching all a players posts would make it easier to spot things like that!

I know I said Magda in above paragraphs but that was the name we weee told at the stage I posted.

[Ina May the Midwife]

"Tempted to use on Betty but is she an obvious traitor"

Sorry, which is it - you never bought into Betty being a traitor or Betty's an obvious traitor?

Obvious in the "mob" sense. So many people are on her, that if she was a traitor, it would be seen as a waste.

I've checked back over your posts Laura and they don't really back up your assertion that you "never bought into Betty being a traitor":

These two from this morning where you seem to be getting on board the Betty train:

"I might be leaning into the Betty theory. If it was self preservation, why not vote for the person with the most votes (Zeena), instead of the person with just one vote more than her (Ben). There must have been some other reason she choose Ben rather than Zeena (has she provided that already)."

"neither Betty nor Friar made their intention to vote for Benji known before the vote. They never had any suspicion on him.... yet they voted for him. To me, that feels suss."

Whereas yesterday you seemed much cooler on it with these two posts:

"The Betty theory is interesting but it could just have been coincidence with the timing"

"I don't see any weight in the suspicion against Betty over the timing of her posts. Feels like pulling on a thread due to lack of other threads."

This type of inconsistency doesn't give me a warm feeling about you

[Ina May the Midwife]

I find it interesting that since I've cleared Betty as a faithful, that Ina has it in for me. I get that everyone is a suspect but she's going straight for me on this. If I get banished in a charge led by her... look there.

Can you show me where I have it in for you?

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

I wasn’t spamming. I was putting all a single players posts within the timeframe of free lynch last night to munch this morning to look for clues for Magda’s murder in plain sight.

It could have been as simple as spelling out her name over consecutive posts so batching all a players posts would make it easier to spot things like that!

I know I said Magda in above paragraphs but that was the name we weee told at the stage I posted.

Yeah I don't think what you were doing was spamming. It was also useful to read a few blocks from posters. I found the timing of it from Gordon odd.

He had no issue with you searching posts to highlight how Magda was killed in plain sight.

4 mins after Lorc points out the error he thinks you're spamming the thread, no one else find this odd?

[Donald the Spoofer]

So the consensus is to run Zenna and Betty tonight or use the insta banish on one of them now?

Or would banishing Laura basically clear betty and vincent if she flips good?

[Friar Tuck]

I'm finding it difficult to keep up with the thread so far partly as I'm new to the game, partly because the usernames are all new to me and hard.to distinguish and also life is a bit busy at the moment. I'm not online all day like I would be at work.
Any tips from any recent newbies for getting your head around the game?
Also, I have an idea what wagonomics means but if anyone would.like to give me a definition please do !