The Traitors- Boards/FOG Edition

[Magda the Maid]

if somebody is faithful aligned, they are faithful.

if somebody is aligned with somebody else, then they share the same alignment (either both faithful, or both traitors)

your alignment is which side you are on.

Betty wasn't given that info, just that Benjamin and Vincent have the same alignment.

The Traitors are probably less likely to murder Vincent now as his reveal will either clear or implicated Benji. So, "Pat the Baker", it's between you and I for murder.

Well it is a game of deception so there's always the possibility that the alignment is a tactic so that the Traitors can murder Vincent to "clear" Benjamin.

Afternoon all.

[Maeve the Madam]

Answers sent I think. I know it's too late but can you confirm they went through. I'm not used to this interface so had to make a couple of attempts.
Thanks.

@Maeve the Madam what are your thoughts? You appeared around the time of the task also? Did you get an alert telling you?

How do you mean "appeared around the time of the task"? No alert. I saw the task and answered it but I was too late as I was trying to figure out how to PM properly.

[Amy the Singer]

Betty wasn't given that info, just that Benjamin and Vincent have the same alignment.

The Traitors are probably less likely to murder Vincent now as his reveal will either clear or implicated Benji. So, "Pat the Baker", it's between you and I for murder.

Well it is a game of deception so there's always the possibility that the alignment is a tactic so that the Traitors can murder Vincent to "clear" Benjamin.

Afternoon all.

True, I didn't think of that.

[William the Grave Robber]

Could have waited of course.
Gave my reasons why I didn't.

If you had an insta banishment who would you go with?

I'd wait until later in the day.

Nice non answer as that wasn't my question. What time is acceptable to you for me to get an answer from you? Or you going to ignore and not answer anyway

[Rhoda the Spinster]

Just posting as placeholder. Was very busy so hadn't a chance to look at thread yet. Will look at it later this evening and post my thoughts.

[Betty the Beggar]

For clarity I sent them in a little while ago, just posting about it now cos ai didnt realise that was a thing

You have to post here too after you PM the answers? Ooops
Consider this my "answers in" post so

You're getting way too caught up on the timings and reading things into it.I came on, saw the quiz, did it. Read the thread, posted my thoughts, reread what I had missed while typing, spotted I should have been posting on thread to validate the entry.
Thats it, if you want to lynch me over that, fair enough.


Since Benji seems to be getting some heat and I have thoughts on it.... Benji and Vincy are aligned. My opinion is they are most likely both village but if someone had a peek it would be a good starting point, either knock out two wolves or start a village gang

i had no idea that you needed to post on thread to validate an entry. can you point out where you read that?

I read these two and took it I had to post on thread, so thats what I did

[Betty the Beggar]

@Betty the Beggar is that what your prize gage you? That myself and Ben are aligned but not which alignment?

Just that you are aligned, if one flips bad the other is bad too, or if one is village the other is too. Kind of means you need to be resolved first.
If you are a wolf you're not going to murder yourself
If you're village, the wolves won't murder you either

[Amy the Singer]

I'd wait until later in the day.

Nice non answer as that wasn't my question. What time is acceptable to you for me to get an answer from you? Or you going to ignore and not answer anyway

I asked you why you didn't wait until there was more information on thread, I'd wait to pick someone once there wasmmore discussion or a couple of names put forward for banishment rather than randomly shooting a no show poster. I don't have a definitive answer on who I'd banish at this stage.

[McDonald the Farmer]

I’ve been called away for a few hours but on my reads so far I’m suss on Boris and Zeena. Moreso Boris and the fact he completely ignored Benjamin asking what he would do if traitors gave him an invitation to join. But Boris did make mention of it to Dora who was having a conversation with Benjamin about it.

Just where my head is at. Be back in a bit.

[Dora the Explorer]

@Betty the Beggar is that what your prize gage you? That myself and Ben are aligned but not which alignment?

Just that you are aligned, if one flips bad the other is bad too, or if one is village the other is too. Kind of means you need to be resolved first.
If you are a wolf you're not going to murder yourself
If you're village, the wolves won't murder you either

Do you think it's important to reolve him ASAP?

[William the Grave Robber]

Nice non answer as that wasn't my question. What time is acceptable to you for me to get an answer from you? Or you going to ignore and not answer anyway

I asked you why you didn't wait until there was more information on thread, I'd wait to pick someone once there wasmmore discussion or a couple of names put forward for banishment rather than randomly shooting a no show poster. I don't have a definitive answer on who I'd banish at this stage.

Wasn't random. It was a poster amongst a list of 4 others and the only one with no posts.
Was good enough reasoning for me. One less low posters for traitors to hide in, as they aren't going to murder a low poster, and faithfuls will always be suspicious of low posters.

[Gordon the Cook]

Betty wasn't given that info, just that Benjamin and Vincent have the same alignment.

The Traitors are probably less likely to murder Vincent now as his reveal will either clear or implicated Benji. So, "Pat the Baker", it's between you and I for murder.

Well it is a game of deception so there's always the possibility that the alignment is a tactic so that the Traitors can murder Vincent to "clear" Benjamin.

Afternoon all.

That only works if betty is a traitor. Why would faithful:betty lie about them being alligned?

[Benjamin the Alchemist]

Buenas tardes

Hey was working this morning so only catching up.

Kevin being faithful makes the insta banish feel more like a safe play, it removes a quiet player but doesn’t really give us any info.

@McDonald the Farmer  using his power on himself makes sense.

@Betty the Beggar showing up around the task has been covered and seems to check out, so probably not much in that now.

@Benjamin the Alchemist  getting mentioned a couple of times now too it would be good to hear where he’s actually at.

who's mentioning me?

[Betty the Beggar]

Just that you are aligned, if one flips bad the other is bad too, or if one is village the other is too. Kind of means you need to be resolved first.
If you are a wolf you're not going to murder yourself
If you're village, the wolves won't murder you either

Do you think it's important to reolve him ASAP?

Not really but the traitors aren't going to resolve them

[Betty the Beggar]

Well it is a game of deception so there's always the possibility that the alignment is a tactic so that the Traitors can murder Vincent to "clear" Benjamin.

Afternoon all.

That only works if betty is a traitor. Why would faithful:betty lie about them being alligned?

And if I was a traitor why would I stick my head above the paraphet like that

[Boris the Fool]

I’ve been called away for a few hours but on my reads so far I’m suss on Boris and Zeena. Moreso Boris and the fact he completely ignored Benjamin asking what he would do if traitors gave him an invitation to join. But Boris did make mention of it to Dora who was having a conversation with Benjamin about it.

Just where my head is at. Be back in a bit.

Okay but I just replied to the most recent mention of the kinda weird and out the blue question which came at a stage when we were all just saying hello … or so I thought…
anyway this thread has gone from 2 pages to 7 since I last looked so I’ve a bit of catching up to do . If I was a traitor I’d have been paying closer attention.

[Magda the Maid]

Well it is a game of deception so there's always the possibility that the alignment is a tactic so that the Traitors can murder Vincent to "clear" Benjamin.

Afternoon all.

That only works if betty is a traitor. Why would faithful:betty lie about them being alligned?

I agree Betty would have to be a Traitor in that instance. I've nothing to suggest that but this early in the game everything is on the table.

[Benjamin the Alchemist]

I don't see any weight in the suspicion against Betty over the timing of her posts. Feels like pulling on a thread due to lack of other threads.

McDonald saving himself makes sense too. I'd do the same.

Benjamin is the only player so far who I have an inkling of a suspicion on. Mostly based on his comment to William, over William 'not getting the 5th word in the task' being suss.

Vincent and Gordon are two players I'm feeling more confident are faithfuls.

Day 1 though, so it's based on minimal info.

Game question. What is an "alignment". It's been mentioned a few times.

the timing of betty is suspicious to me. means she was following the thread but hadnt posted.

also saying she typed a post but forgot to hit reply.....do people actually do that?

[Benjamin the Alchemist]

Whats Benjamin being mentioned about? Any thoughts of your own on this?

Not sure how Betty checks out, tbf she didnt have to reveal she had a prize but she's hardly clear based on the timings

Sorry just seen this now reading back again. 

Benjamin name was brought up a few times my opinion of him is more the way he’s been posting so far there's a few ideas but nothing comitimg just kind of floating between things and causing confusion. It was what I felt in my catchup. 

On Betty, I’m not clearing her — just felt the timing side of it looked less suspicious once it was broken down.

how could i possibly have any ideas this early? probe and prod is about all we can do right now

[Benjamin the Alchemist]

Quote “I sent my answers at 11.20, then came back and saw I needed to post here.”

11.20 quiz answers submitted
11.26 you posted about Boris’s posts being forced. 
11.33 declares in thread that quiz answers submitted 
11.35 quotes your own 11.26 post saying you obviously meant benji not Boris. 


Why would it be obvious you meant benji not Boris?
why doesn’t your quote above align with what you actually did?

You're getting way too caught up on the timings and reading things into it.I came on, saw the quiz, did it. Read the thread, posted my thoughts, reread what I had missed while typing, spotted I should have been posting on thread to validate the entry.
Thats it, if you want to lynch me over that, fair enough.


Since Benji seems to be getting some heat and I have thoughts on it.... Benji and Vincy are aligned. My opinion is they are most likely both village but if someone had a peek it would be a good starting point, either knock out two wolves or start a village gang

me and vincent confirmed good so

[McDonald the Farmer]

I’ve been called away for a few hours but on my reads so far I’m suss on Boris and Zeena. Moreso Boris and the fact he completely ignored Benjamin asking what he would do if traitors gave him an invitation to join. But Boris did make mention of it to Dora who was having a conversation with Benjamin about it.

Just where my head is at. Be back in a bit.

Okay but I just replied to the most recent mention of the kinda weird and out the blue question which came at a stage when we were all just saying hello … or so I thought…
anyway this thread has gone from 2 pages to 7 since I last looked so I’ve a bit of catching up to do . If I was a traitor I’d have been paying closer attention.

 But you’re keeping close enough attention that I didn’t even have to tag you to get a response 😉 

now I’m really out for a bit.

[Ina May the Midwife]

Assuming that we have 4 traitors and 21 faithfuls and Betty's prize was that Vincent & Benjamin are aligned; there are five possible scenarios:

1) Betty is a faithful and randomly chose two traitors: ~2% chance of this
2) Betty is a faithful and randomly chose two faithfuls: ~69% chance of this
3) Betty is a traitor and decided to chose two faithfuls: unknown chance
4) Betty is a traitor and decided to chose two traitors: seems like 0% chance of this, would be complete madness IMO
5) Betty is a traitor and decided to chose a traitor/faithful to make the traitor look faithful when the other person gets killed: this is a possibility but it's too risky a play for me and not worth the risk from a traitor point of view. Even if this were to pan out. there'll always be a question mark hanging over the survivor later in the game which will have to be resolved

The upshot of this is that I'd be happy that it's most likely scenario 3 or 4 above and I'd be putting Vincent & Benjamin as more faithful than traitor for now. I don't think they can be allowed to make it to the end game though

[Dora the Explorer]

Sorry just seen this now reading back again. 

Benjamin name was brought up a few times my opinion of him is more the way he’s been posting so far there's a few ideas but nothing comitimg just kind of floating between things and causing confusion. It was what I felt in my catchup. 

On Betty, I’m not clearing her — just felt the timing side of it looked less suspicious once it was broken down.

how could i possibly have any ideas this early? probe and prod is about all we can do right now

I was asked my opinion on you and that’s fair obviously no one knows for sure.

You put alot of "prodding" out there and that was it. The thing is if you do too much prodding on many different directions and are one of the higher posters in the game then you leave yourself open to looking like you're trying to stay involved just for the sake of it. I'm not saying you are but it's a reason why I'd like to hear more direction from you instead of just prodding.

[Amy the Singer]

Assuming that we have 4 traitors and 21 faithfuls and Betty's prize was that Vincent & Benjamin are aligned; there are five possible scenarios:

1) Betty is a faithful and randomly chose two traitors: ~2% chance of this
2) Betty is a faithful and randomly chose two faithfuls: ~69% chance of this
3) Betty is a traitor and decided to chose two faithfuls: unknown chance
4) Betty is a traitor and decided to chose two traitors: seems like 0% chance of this, would be complete madness IMO
5) Betty is a traitor and decided to chose a traitor/faithful to make the traitor look faithful when the other person gets killed: this is a possibility but it's too risky a play for me and not worth the risk from a traitor point of view. Even if this were to pan out. there'll always be a question mark hanging over the survivor later in the game which will have to be resolved

The upshot of this is that I'd be happy that it's most likely scenario 3 or 4 above and I'd be putting Vincent & Benjamin as more faithful than traitor for now. I don't think they can be allowed to make it to the end game though

Do you not mean 2 or 3?

[Pat the Baker]

Just to confirm I received no prize.

I can see why William admitted his kill on thread and it gives me a village lean on him but I don’t think it was a good target - I can’t see a play where the traitors put a non posting traitor on the kill list as just the act of putting a non poster on the list raised our suspicions.

I wonder if the list is like the secret traitor in the latest version of the UK show, the only thing is the secret traitor knew who the other traitors were so still can see them putting Kev as a traitor on the list.

[Ina May the Midwife]

Assuming that we have 4 traitors and 21 faithfuls and Betty's prize was that Vincent & Benjamin are aligned; there are five possible scenarios:

1) Betty is a faithful and randomly chose two traitors: ~2% chance of this
2) Betty is a faithful and randomly chose two faithfuls: ~69% chance of this
3) Betty is a traitor and decided to chose two faithfuls: unknown chance
4) Betty is a traitor and decided to chose two traitors: seems like 0% chance of this, would be complete madness IMO
5) Betty is a traitor and decided to chose a traitor/faithful to make the traitor look faithful when the other person gets killed: this is a possibility but it's too risky a play for me and not worth the risk from a traitor point of view. Even if this were to pan out. there'll always be a question mark hanging over the survivor later in the game which will have to be resolved

The upshot of this is that I'd be happy that it's most likely scenario 3 or 4 above and I'd be putting Vincent & Benjamin as more faithful than traitor for now. I don't think they can be allowed to make it to the end game though

Do you not mean 2 or 3?

Yes! I meant 2 or 3

[William the Grave Robber]

Assuming that we have 4 traitors and 21 faithfuls and Betty's prize was that Vincent & Benjamin are aligned; there are five possible scenarios:

1) Betty is a faithful and randomly chose two traitors: ~2% chance of this
2) Betty is a faithful and randomly chose two faithfuls: ~69% chance of this
3) Betty is a traitor and decided to chose two faithfuls: unknown chance
4) Betty is a traitor and decided to chose two traitors: seems like 0% chance of this, would be complete madness IMO
5) Betty is a traitor and decided to chose a traitor/faithful to make the traitor look faithful when the other person gets killed: this is a possibility but it's too risky a play for me and not worth the risk from a traitor point of view. Even if this were to pan out. there'll always be a question mark hanging over the survivor later in the game which will have to be resolved

The upshot of this is that I'd be happy that it's most likely scenario 3 or 4 above and I'd be putting Vincent & Benjamin as more faithful than traitor for now. I don't think they can be allowed to make it to the end game though

Or another scenario that Betty is a traitor and did not get any prize. She knows all alignments so can choose any faithfuls with the knowledge that we will have to resolve one or both of them at some point.

[Pat the Baker]

I think the Betty prize will only be confirmed once one of the parties has died so we see who is killed in the morning and take it from there

[Vincent the Artist]

I'm still going for Betty later based on my thoughts posted earlier as I'd like to resolve this angle. Plus I may not survive the night.

I have a suspicion on Rhoda as well based on the "will give an opinion later" thing. Only post, totally get they could be genuinely busy but I've used that exact excuse in previous games as a wolf where I found it difficult to create a plausible opinion.

[Amy the Singer]

Do you not mean 2 or 3?

Yes! I meant 2 or 3

They make sense, but i think it's too early to consider resolving Betty as it would be a very risky play of she is a traitor, and I'm ignoring the double bluff element of that.

So, it's most likely Pat or I for murder tonight. 

If we think there's a traitor in the names put on trial the four remaining are McDonald, Vincent, Pat and Amy before the traitors murder.

[Laura the Lace Mistress]

Right, I'm offline (or on mobile on the side of a pitch at least) for the next couple of hours. Be back for the tailend of the roundtable and vote.

[Amy the Singer]

I think the Betty prize will only be confirmed once one of the parties has died so we see who is killed in the morning and take it from there

Vincent is unlikely to be murdered though and Benji isn't in the running.

[Ina May the Midwife]

Yes! I meant 2 or 3

They make sense, but i think it's too early to consider resolving Betty as it would be a very risky play of she is a traitor, and I'm ignoring the double bluff element of that.

So, it's most likely Pat or I for murder tonight. 

If we think there's a traitor in the names put on trial the four remaining are McDonald, Vincent, Pat and Amy before the traitors murder.

Just to be clear, the purpose of my post wasn't really related to Betty's alignment - it was moreso related to Vincent / Benjamin and that for me, the odds would seem to indicate that they're more likely faithful than traitor for now

[Pat the Baker]

I think the Betty prize will only be confirmed once one of the parties has died so we see who is killed in the morning and take it from there

Vincent is unlikely to be murdered though and Benji isn't in the running.

So looks like you or I. 

I wonder if Betty bluffed about a prize to take the focus off the time she came on thread

[Ina May the Midwife]

Just to give a heads up that I'll probably be offline from ~1800-2030; will be back in plenty of time for voting though

[Dora the Explorer]

You're getting way too caught up on the timings and reading things into it.I came on, saw the quiz, did it. Read the thread, posted my thoughts, reread what I had missed while typing, spotted I should have been posting on thread to validate the entry.
Thats it, if you want to lynch me over that, fair enough.


Since Benji seems to be getting some heat and I have thoughts on it.... Benji and Vincy are aligned. My opinion is they are most likely both village but if someone had a peek it would be a good starting point, either knock out two wolves or start a village gang

me and vincent confirmed good so

Or do you think it's a possibility that Betty is traitor and won the Prize and knows you're good but is linking Vincent to you who could be also traitor? It would be a good move if you are indeed faithful.

[Amy the Singer]

They make sense, but i think it's too early to consider resolving Betty as it would be a very risky play of she is a traitor, and I'm ignoring the double bluff element of that.

So, it's most likely Pat or I for murder tonight. 

If we think there's a traitor in the names put on trial the four remaining are McDonald, Vincent, Pat and Amy before the traitors murder.

Just to be clear, the purpose of my post wasn't really related to Betty's alignment - it was moreso related to Vincent / Benjamin and that for me, the odds would seem to indicate that they're more likely faithful than traitor for now

Yep, got that, just added my own thoughts on Betty. I don't think the timing thing is enough to be suspicious on its own.

[Rhoda the Spinster]

The Betty alignment prize, I'm leaning towards a genuine prize, if only for the fact that anything that draws attention to oneself on the first day puts you in the firing line, so I think fake winning a prize is more likely to backfire than not.

If a genuine prize I'd lean more likely both as faithful, as odds of a faithful picking two traitors is unlikely. If they were a traitor it would be too suss to pick two traitors, picking one faithful and one traitor could backfire if the alignment is known to differ before a recruitment can take place. Safest option for a traitor is to pick two faithfuls for an alignment check.

[Amy the Singer]

me and vincent confirmed good so

Or do you think it's a possibility that Betty is traitor and won the Prize and knows you're good but is linking Vincent to you who could be also traitor? It would be a good move if you are indeed faithful.

Benji could equally be a traitor and Vincent faithful in that scenario though.

[Rhoda the Spinster]

I'm kind of leaning into the idea of banishing one of the people up for murder, on the off chance the traitors picked one of themselves to throw off suspicion. Not sure if this is a good strategy or not?