The Fellowship of the Ring Werewolf

[Ina May the Midwife]

Yes, but how do they know who the hobbits are? I've read William's theory but if they can see who has the ring the game is pointless.

in the movies, when you use the ring, the enemy can find you. 

so maybe 2 of our hobbits used the ring, knowing the would be caught the next day, and knowing it would be passed onto the next hobbit. 

i'm only spitballing here.

Was just reading back and that's not quite correct William.

The Nazgul and Sauron can tell when the ring is used given their ties to it (the nazgul are the dead human kings who Sauron gifted the rings to), but the other enemies cannot.

We lynched the Nazgul king day 1 and I doubt the ring was used at that point so I'd say wolves are blind.

UNLESS Sauron is a physical wolf in this game but I don't think it fits given how true to the lore the game has stayed so far

[Ina May the Midwife]

Does three not seem low in the case of 16 original players? I don't know really.
I mean the two we have killed (by default or otherwise) are not Sauruman nor Sauron. I don't know enough about LOTR- in my head Sauron was just the big eye thingy (it's been a while since I watched, and my son who read all the books is away), but I take it "he" was a character of sorts, not just a spirit/being. Therefore it would make sense that he features in some capacity. So Ben is Sauraman, let's say. And then is there a greater evil in Sauron?

Sauron doesn't have a physical presence in any of the LOTR movies or books.

I think if the line of hobbits was extinguished, then Sauron would take physical form and smite the whole damn lot of us because the ring would fall into the hands of evil

Three seems low for 16, but at the same time there also was an SK so 4 evils and 12 villagers is probably about right. But I guess we will find out after lynching Benjamin

[E.N.]

MOD NOTE: Apologies for the slow update. We've tried reaching out to players but not everyone is here so NO SPEED DAY. Lynch will be at 9pm as usual and we'll have an announcement after that, if needed.

[Benjamin the Alchemist]

I’m home. Before I get bombarded with questions can you all show me why you’re saying that it was me that made the counterclaim.

Show me proof.

[Frank the Tank]

I havent voted yet but that is the way it is looking. If I had to choose another wolf it is between Mick and William, probably the latter.
Frank has escaped our notice. Not sure that is a good thing.

Unless, and this is a reach- unless Ina (and then by default Laura) have been playing a long game. Anyone could have been munched this morning. Eddie was the most obviously village, so he ostensibly could have been left til last by the woves.

Just on this, if there are more than 3 wolves, throughout all the game, I have dropped a lot of hints as to my character. A LOT.
There has been no counter claims to this character, and I think I've been obvious mcObvious.
I know they are just claims, but I think I have shown myself as village throughout.

[Frank the Tank]

I havent voted yet but that is the way it is looking. If I had to choose another wolf it is between Mick and William, probably the latter.
Frank has escaped our notice. Not sure that is a good thing.

Unless, and this is a reach- unless Ina (and then by default Laura) have been playing a long game. Anyone could have been munched this morning. Eddie was the most obviously village, so he ostensibly could have been left til last by the woves.

Just on this, if there are more than 3 wolves, throughout all the game, I have dropped a lot of hints as to my character. A LOT.
There has been no counter claims to this character, and I think I've been obvious mcObvious.
I know they are just claims, but I think I have shown myself as village throughout.

I speak nothing but the truth.

[Frank the Tank]

I’m home. Before I get bombarded with questions can you all show me why you’re saying that it was me that made the counterclaim.

Show me proof.

Why do you claim 2 dead hobbits knew you were a hobbit?

[Rhoda the Spinster]

And there are 3 ring bearer Hobbits, 2 are dead, so you are claiming to be the same one as Laura. @Benjamin the Alchemist
so one of you is lying and at the moment, the more likely of the two seems you.
If you are not claiming to be a Hobbit, what actually are you claiming?

[Ina May the Midwife]

I’m home. Before I get bombarded with questions can you all show me why you’re saying that it was me that made the counterclaim.

Show me proof.

How about you show us proof Ben, it's you under pressure here. Up to you to prove you are you say you are.

If you're legit and this is all a misunderstanding I'm sure you'll have no issues clearing it up with a logical explanation and timeline. 

Right?

[Ina May the Midwife]

*you are who you say you are.

[Benjamin the Alchemist]

I’m home. Before I get bombarded with questions can you all show me why you’re saying that it was me that made the counterclaim.

Show me proof.

Why do you claim 2 dead hobbits knew you were a hobbit?

Ask yourself why two dead hobbits would both put me so low on their Process of Elimination lists. And when I say low I mean just not right at the bottom but the next one up. Pat (Sam) had Magda (Frodo) right at the bottom of his.

Make sense of that for yourself and then the answer is obvious.

[Frank the Tank]

Why do you claim 2 dead hobbits knew you were a hobbit?

Ask yourself why two dead hobbits would both put me so low on their Process of Elimination lists. And when I say low I mean just not right at the bottom but the next one up. Pat (Sam) had Magda (Frodo) right at the bottom of his.

Make sense of that for yourself and then the answer is obvious.

Explain the logic you are using to me like I'm a child.

[Benjamin the Alchemist]

And there are 3 ring bearer Hobbits, 2 are dead, so you are claiming to be the same one as Laura. @Benjamin the Alchemist 
so one of you is lying and at the moment, the more likely of the two seems you.
If you are not claiming to be a Hobbit, what actually are you claiming?

 3 are dead. Merry died at the first munch. 

Laura is lying

[Frank the Tank]

Why do you claim 2 dead hobbits knew you were a hobbit?

Ask yourself why two dead hobbits would both put me so low on their Process of Elimination lists. And when I say low I mean just not right at the bottom but the next one up. Pat (Sam) had Magda (Frodo) right at the bottom of his.

Make sense of that for yourself and then the answer is obvious.

You are asking us to trust Pat and Magda, who both voted for Gandalf in the D1 lynch.

[Laura the Lace Mistress]

First thought based on this in the OP:
"Avoid character reveals", how does this work is a RV is up for lynch? If they can't reveal we could end up lynching them. Am I missing something here? Can they say they have a role?

Thoughts on players
Betty - a lot of fluff and character posts, also spotted something there too

Rhoda - a lot of fluff

Ina - village lean here, not afraid to get stuck in

Benjamin - neutral lean, is posting and seems to be trying figure it out

Pat - I didn't read their post as suggesting there was only one wolf, he jad actually said 'more than one'. Very defensive when called on it or when others said he was suspicious. Later said Vernon didn't want discussion of wolf numbers, that's not true either. Not sure what to make of Pat.

Edward - nothing to go on here

Prada - village lean here

Vernon - must be a newish player as asked what pocketing is. Village lean here.

Frank - fluff

Magda - called out Wendy for the back room reference and Wendy for AI, later said Vernon pocketed Wendy. Village lean here.

Wendy - made a big deal of Pat's post when he clearly said likely more than one wolf. Lot of reaction testing, FFAed Betty, Prada and Magda. #57 said Betty is a provable load but didn't really explain it when asked by Prada, Betty and Vernon, I still don't understand the "making up a narrative" bit. AI no sense. Called Magda a WOLF!!!! Asked Benjamin to explain RVS and pocketing in their own words - don't see the point of this. Wolf lean here.

William - more fluff, spreadsheets, suss of Pat.

Mick - couple of posts today, spotted autopriest only being mentioned for lynch, asked Wendy why she expected flips for flavour kills this morning.

16 players, so agree on 3/4 wolves.

Does three not seem low in the case of 16 original players? I don't know really.
I mean the two we have killed (by default or otherwise) are not Sauruman nor Sauron. I don't know enough about LOTR- in my head Sauron was just the big eye thingy (it's been a while since I watched, and my son who read all the books is away), but I take it "he" was a character of sorts, not just a spirit/being. Therefore it would make sense that he features in some capacity. So Ben is Sauraman, let's say. And then is there a greater evil in Sauron?

I'll be out for a few hours from around half 4, this list was my honest reads at the time when there was very little to go on. This is what everyone jumped on, but look at the first paragraph.

It was my seventh post, Google my character with the number seven.

[Benjamin the Alchemist]

I’m home. Before I get bombarded with questions can you all show me why you’re saying that it was me that made the counterclaim.

Show me proof.

How about you show us proof Ben, it's you under pressure here. Up to you to prove you are you say you are.

If you're legit and this is all a misunderstanding I'm sure you'll have no issues clearing it up with a logical explanation and timeline. 

Right?

You made the claim that I counter claimed so you go back it up. I’m not doing your job for you. 

I have my own job to do and after last nights lynch it looks like I’m alone in doing it.

[Benjamin the Alchemist]

Magda the Maid
Pat the Baker
Edward the Barber


Benjamin the Alchemist
Ina May the Midwife
William the Grave Robber
Laura the Lace Mistress
Mick The Drunk
Vernon the Ranger
Frank the Tank
Vincent the Artist

9 v 2
Mislynch Wed 8 v 2
Munch 7 v 2
Mislynch Thur 6 v 2
Munch 5 v 2
Mislynch Fri 4 v 2
Munch 3 v 2

It really is ours to lose.

Look who’s top of my trusted list

[Benjamin the Alchemist]

My Own POE would be

Laura
Vern
Mick
William
Vincent
Frank
Ben
Ina

So the top three are the same as your's @Ina May the Midwife  why have you left Frank off your list?

Look who’s bottom of Frodo’s elimination list

[Benjamin the Alchemist]

I'm not too sure within the middle ground at the moment, so this is very changeable and more based on gut than anything, aside from Laura

Laura
Mick
Vern
Will
Vincent
Frank
Ben
Ina
Magda

 Look where I am on Sam’s list

[William the Grave Robber]

And there are 3 ring bearer Hobbits, 2 are dead, so you are claiming to be the same one as Laura. @Benjamin the Alchemist 
so one of you is lying and at the moment, the more likely of the two seems you.
If you are not claiming to be a Hobbit, what actually are you claiming?

3 are dead, 1 remains.

[Benjamin the Alchemist]

At that stage I had made a big post about Ina and voted for her and I had been quizzed on being on a team with betty.
Betty the wolf had been lynched at this stage.
Ina was trusted and was just beow me in both lists.

Why would Magda and Pat have such trust in me?

[Frank the Tank]

At that stage I had made a big post about Ina and voted for her and I had been quizzed on being on a team with betty.
Betty the wolf had been lynched at this stage.
Ina was trusted and was just beow me in both lists.

Why would Magda and Pat have such trust in me?

I checked Ina. She is clear from my POV.
Edward also action tracked Ina. Clear.

[Frank the Tank]

Magda the Maid
Pat the Baker
Edward the Barber


Benjamin the Alchemist
Ina May the Midwife
William the Grave Robber
Laura the Lace Mistress
Mick The Drunk
Vernon the Ranger
Frank the Tank
Vincent the Artist

9 v 2
Mislynch Wed 8 v 2
Munch 7 v 2
Mislynch Thur 6 v 2
Munch 5 v 2
Mislynch Fri 4 v 2
Munch 3 v 2

It really is ours to lose.

Look who’s top of my trusted list

Prada named Edward as the SK.
This isn't proof.

[William the Grave Robber]

1 question, if ben and laura could both answer that would be swell.

@Benjamin the Alchemist
@Laura the Lace Mistress

whats the explanation for vincent being lynched last night?

[Benjamin the Alchemist]

At that stage I had made a big post about Ina and voted for her and I had been quizzed on being on a team with betty.
Betty the wolf had been lynched at this stage.
Ina was trusted and was just beow me in both lists.

Why would Magda and Pat have such trust in me?

I checked Ina. She is clear from my POV.
Edward also action tracked Ina. Clear.

 And out of all the other players in the game the two now known hobbits put me right next to Ina, the trusted player. 

would any of you have put me there? I doubt it so once again…….

Why the fook would 2 hobbits have so much trust in me?????

[Rhoda the Spinster]

But Pat and Magda were working on the same informaiton that we are. Only the wolves know who the villagers are. Are you saying, categorically, that all the HObbits knew who each other were from the outset?

[Ina May the Midwife]

How about you show us proof Ben, it's you under pressure here. Up to you to prove you are you say you are.

If you're legit and this is all a misunderstanding I'm sure you'll have no issues clearing it up with a logical explanation and timeline. 

Right?

You made the claim that I counter claimed so you go back it up. I’m not doing your job for you. 

I have my own job to do and after last nights lynch it looks like I’m alone in doing it.

Nah, I'll just lynch you because you can't prove shit bub. And I'm not the one on trial here.

[Benjamin the Alchemist]

1 question, if ben and laura could both answer that would be swell.

@Benjamin the Alchemist
@Laura the Lace Mistress

whats the explanation for vincent being lynched last night?

I deflected the lynch and knew it would happen. Fate decided who would die instead I had no control over that.

[Frank the Tank]

1 question, if ben and laura could both answer that would be swell.

@Benjamin the Alchemist
@Laura the Lace Mistress

whats the explanation for vincent being lynched last night?

I deflected the lynch and knew it would happen. Fate decided who would die instead I had no control over that.

How exactly did you deflect?

[Rhoda the Spinster]

So to borow a phrase from Ina, are you horny too?

[Frank the Tank]

I checked Ina. She is clear from my POV.
Edward also action tracked Ina. Clear.

 And out of all the other players in the game the two now known hobbits put me right next to Ina, the trusted player. 

would any of you have put me there? I doubt it so once again…….

Why the fook would 2 hobbits have so much trust in me?????

I thought you were saying you didn't trust Ina

How the fook would 2 hobbits know who your character was?

[Rhoda the Spinster]

She was saying she was.

[Benjamin the Alchemist]

You made the claim that I counter claimed so you go back it up. I’m not doing your job for you. 

I have my own job to do and after last nights lynch it looks like I’m alone in doing it.

Nah, I'll just lynch you because you can't prove shit bub. And I'm not the one on trial here.

You do you, Ina

[Benjamin the Alchemist]

I deflected the lynch and knew it would happen. Fate decided who would die instead I had no control over that.

How exactly did you deflect?

Ask the mods that. I’m just playing the hand I’ve been given

[Ina May the Midwife]

Nah, I'll just lynch you because you can't prove shit bub. And I'm not the one on trial here.

You do you, Ina

Look so far your defence is:

'The dead players who happened to be hobbits had me on their good reads lists' which seems to be implying that you all knew who ye were. And I simply do not believe that 4 hobbits would know each others identities in a 16 player game. It's not feasible and way OP. 

The second part of your defence seems to want me to do your work for you in proving that you didn't counterclaim but in fact claimed first. That doesn't bode well for you either way, cos you know who pointed that out, right?

Vincent, the dead wolf. That's who.

Sorry Benji, it's checkmate unless you come up with some sort of plausible explanation that doesn't involve 4 hobbits all knowing each other and relying on a dead wolf's word that you were softing a claim first!

[Benjamin the Alchemist]

No offence but I’ve done all I can at this stage.

You’ve all somehow got it in your heads that a wolf would deflect a lynch onto another wolf like it’s some kind of winning play.

We are playing the fellowship of the RING! Gee, I wonder what the ring might do in this game?

[Ina May the Midwife]

No offence but I’ve done all I can at this stage.

You’ve all somehow got it in your heads that a wolf would deflect a lynch onto another wolf like it’s some kind of winning play.

We are playing the fellowship of the RING! Gee, I wonder what the ring might do in this game?

I dunno, how about you tell us more of what the ring does. If you actually have it, that should be easy, right?

[Benjamin the Alchemist]

But Pat and Magda were working on the same informaiton that we are. Only the wolves know who the villagers are. Are you saying, categorically, that all the HObbits knew who each other were from the outset?

Yes

i cant elaborate further than that. Those the rules.

[Mick the Drunk]

I'm not too sure within the middle ground at the moment, so this is very changeable and more based on gut than anything, aside from Laura

Laura
Mick
Vern
Will
Vincent
Frank
Ben
Ina
Magda

 Look where I am on Sam’s list

Why would they put Ina before you in they knew who you were?

[Ina May the Midwife]

But Pat and Magda were working on the same informaiton that we are. Only the wolves know who the villagers are. Are you saying, categorically, that all the HObbits knew who each other were from the outset?

Yes

i cant elaborate further than that. Those the rules.

Ah the rules excuse. There's nothing to prevent you from telling us about that aside from naming your character directly.

As a former abuser of 'can't tell, them's the rules' - Ben my friend I have to tell you.

You cannot bullshit a bullshitter.