The Traitors- Boards/FOG Edition

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

I am a Faithful.

[Rhoda the Spinster]

Goddamn. The top two wagons both faithfuls. At least that is resolved before we start picking off everyone who voted for Zeena.

[Donald the Spoofer]

Sorry Zeena, so where does that leave us now?

[Chris the Carpenter]

Ok so I was 100% convinced @Betty the Beggar was a tratitor but now I don't know after@Laura the Lace Mistress said that she is a faithful.

Is she really a faithful or is it a good bluff? Earlier she said she wouldn't waste a seer on Betty as she was defintely a tratior.

[Rhoda the Spinster]

Maybe we could focus on who we think killed Maeve?

[Prada the Seamstress]

Could someone do a post count and show all the posts of the lowest five posters. Lilly is obviously contributing nothing but there are others like Chris hiding low as well.

They are no loss even if they are faithful.

My most suspect is Prada. The post were they ask Maeve three questions looks like a task in retrospect.

I'm happy to park that if people don't want to lose an obvious traitor and vote to banish elsewhere for the moment.

One post is hardly a task. It's also a task so obvious that I wouldn't do it if I was a traitor. You are tunnelling you have spotted this one thing, and you can't see past that. Have you looked at anything else?
I tried but kept getting SQL errors. I will try again this evening because all I know is it isn't me.

[Dora the Explorer]

I'm leaning towards pat as the Maeve Killer
Parada is only other one linked but I donno it was earlier in the day and I think it's a bit too early for them to decide on who to kill.

[Pat the Baker]

I am a Faithful.

Are we happy now to trust Betty and Vincent?

[Laura the Lace Mistress]

Ok so I was 100% convinced @Betty the Beggar was a tratitor but now I don't know after@Laura the Lace Mistress said that she is a faithful.

Is she really a faithful or is it a good bluff? Earlier she said she wouldn't waste a seer on Betty as she was defintely a tratior.

I said it could be a waste as she is so obviously (to the mob... to be clear) a traitor. I never said "definitely". So from my POV, if I used it and she was a traitor it could look strongly like I was acting helpful but really just wasting the opportunity. What turned me back was Betty's post after, reminding me of the link between her and Vincent (who I feel is a faithful), and I was never convinced Betty was a traitor in the first place so I decide to try to clear her (and by extension, Vincents) names.

[Prada the Seamstress]

I'm leaning towards pat as the Maeve Killer
Parada is only other one linked but I donno it was earlier in the day and I think it's a bit too early for them to decide on who to kill.

Also this. It was around midday I think? That's very early to go all in on one poster who hasn't even posted much yet. Maeve was barely contributing. Why would she even be chosen?

[Gordon the Cook]

@Maeve the Madam what are your thoughts? You appeared around the time of the task also? Did you get an alert telling you?

@Gordon the Cook It is post #220

thanks.

So, the murder in plain sight would be. tag a player and ask them 3 questions?

[Laura the Lace Mistress]

I am a Faithful.

Are we happy now to trust Betty and Vincent?

Yes, they are my 100% lock in faithfuls... but does this make them good candidates to turn later in the game?

[Rhoda the Spinster]

Could someone do a post count and show all the posts of the lowest five posters. Lilly is obviously contributing nothing but there are others like Chris hiding low as well.

They are no loss even if they are faithful.

My most suspect is Prada. The post were they ask Maeve three questions looks like a task in retrospect.

I'm happy to park that if people don't want to lose an obvious traitor and vote to banish elsewhere for the moment.

One post is hardly a task. It's also a task so obvious that I wouldn't do it if I was a traitor. You are tunnelling you have spotted this one thing, and you can't see past that. Have you looked at anything else?
I tried but kept getting SQL errors. I will try again this evening because all I know is it isn't me.

Hardly anyone interacted with Maeve. One post is very likely enougjh for a kill in plain sight.

[Dora the Explorer]

I don't like announcing people been locked in good I think it helps traitors. Go after the players that are trusted the most. Just my opinion

[Donald the Spoofer]

What about the votes from last night? I copied these from a post from last night, hope they are correct

zeena - prada, gordon, mcdonald, william, rhoda, amy
ben - laura, dora, tuck, boris, magda, betty
betty - vincent, chris, ben, ina
amy - maeve, count
william - weyland
vincent - donald
mauve - pat
dora - zeena

There must be someone with a double vote on ben. If we remove laura, betty, and magda, prize winners and dead, that leaves dora, tuck, and boris. Could one of these won a prize and not claimed, ie. a traitor?

[Dora the Explorer]

Could someone do a post count and show all the posts of the lowest five posters. Lilly is obviously contributing nothing but there are others like Chris hiding low as well.

They are no loss even if they are faithful.

My most suspect is Prada. The post were they ask Maeve three questions looks like a task in retrospect.

I'm happy to park that if people don't want to lose an obvious traitor and vote to banish elsewhere for the moment.

One post is hardly a task. It's also a task so obvious that I wouldn't do it if I was a traitor. You are tunnelling you have spotted this one thing, and you can't see past that. Have you looked at anything else?
I tried but kept getting SQL errors. I will try again this evening because all I know is it isn't me.

It was only two interactions with her so yeah one post would be enough. I even looked at thanks to see if it was that.

[Gordon the Cook]

Could someone do a post count and show all the posts of the lowest five posters. Lilly is obviously contributing nothing but there are others like Chris hiding low as well.

They are no loss even if they are faithful.

My most suspect is Prada. The post were they ask Maeve three questions looks like a task in retrospect.

I'm happy to park that if people don't want to lose an obvious traitor and vote to banish elsewhere for the moment.

One post is hardly a task. It's also a task so obvious that I wouldn't do it if I was a traitor. You are tunnelling you have spotted this one thing, and you can't see past that. Have you looked at anything else?
I tried but kept getting SQL errors. I will try again this evening because all I know is it isn't me.

>>"It's also a task so obvious that I wouldn't do it if I was a traitor."

I didn't think it was such an obvious task!
I had nearly meh'ed it off.

i think you have earned my vote tonight.

[Chris the Carpenter]

Did we ever figure out how the Murder in plain sight was carried in in previous game to give us a clue?

[Rhoda the Spinster]

@Gordon the Cook It is post #220

thanks.

So, the murder in plain sight would be. tag a player and ask them 3 questions?

Well i makes as much sense as misspelling their name or voting for them which are the other two possibilities. 
Asking three questions of a player seems more like the TV show tasks.
Unless there is some other possibility I'm missing which I'm happy to hear.

[McDonald the Farmer]

Im voting Boris. Would have done so last night but he’s a noob.

[Chris the Carpenter]

Are we happy now to trust Betty and Vincent?

Yes, they are my 100% lock in faithfuls... but does this make them good candidates to turn later in the game?

I don't know Laura now you have me back thinking Betty is a tratior.

[Prada the Seamstress]

What about the votes from last night? I copied these from a post from last night, hope they are correct

zeena - prada, gordon, mcdonald, william, rhoda, amy
ben - laura, dora, tuck, boris, magda, betty
betty - vincent, chris, ben, ina
amy - maeve, count
william - weyland
vincent - donald
mauve - pat
dora - zeena

There must be someone with a double vote on ben. If we remove laura, betty, and magda, prize winners and dead, that leaves dora, tuck, and boris. Could one of these won a prize and not claimed, ie. a traitor?

Why remove Laura?

[Pat the Baker]

Are we happy now to trust Betty and Vincent?

Yes, they are my 100% lock in faithfuls... but does this make them good candidates to turn later in the game?

Any offer / ultimatum is announced on thread so we can deal with that if / when it happens

[Pat the Baker]

I don't like announcing people been locked in good I think it helps traitors. Go after the players that are trusted the most. Just my opinion

The traitors aren’t dumb, they can see themselves who appears most trusted

[Gordon the Cook]

What about the votes from last night? I copied these from a post from last night, hope they are correct

zeena - prada, gordon, mcdonald, william, rhoda, amy
ben - laura, dora, tuck, boris, magda, betty
betty - vincent, chris, ben, ina
amy - maeve, count
william - weyland
vincent - donald
mauve - pat
dora - zeena

There must be someone with a double vote on ben. If we remove laura, betty, and magda, prize winners and dead, that leaves dora, tuck, and boris. Could one of these won a prize and not claimed, ie. a traitor?

i don't think its tuck. which would leave boris/dora

[Donald the Spoofer]

What about the votes from last night? I copied these from a post from last night, hope they are correct

zeena - prada, gordon, mcdonald, william, rhoda, amy
ben - laura, dora, tuck, boris, magda, betty
betty - vincent, chris, ben, ina
amy - maeve, count
william - weyland
vincent - donald
mauve - pat
dora - zeena

There must be someone with a double vote on ben. If we remove laura, betty, and magda, prize winners and dead, that leaves dora, tuck, and boris. Could one of these won a prize and not claimed, ie. a traitor?

Why remove Laura?

Laura claimed a prize today, if we go with the notion that traitors might not claim prizes to avoid putting a target on their back, we can set her aside for the moment. Obviously not a lock clear

[Rhoda the Spinster]

What about the votes from last night? I copied these from a post from last night, hope they are correct

zeena - prada, gordon, mcdonald, william, rhoda, amy
ben - laura, dora, tuck, boris, magda, betty
betty - vincent, chris, ben, ina
amy - maeve, count
william - weyland
vincent - donald
mauve - pat
dora - zeena

There must be someone with a double vote on ben. If we remove laura, betty, and magda, prize winners and dead, that leaves dora, tuck, and boris. Could one of these won a prize and not claimed, ie. a traitor?

We don't know if there was a double vote or if a vote was blocked. We also don't know that whoever had this unknown power was a traitor. It could have been a faithful acting in silence to avoid heat.

[Dora the Explorer]

I don't like announcing people been locked in good I think it helps traitors. Go after the players that are trusted the most. Just my opinion

The traitors aren’t dumb, they can see themselves who appears most trusted

They do when we keep telling them but ok

[Chris the Carpenter]

Why remove Laura?

Laura claimed a prize today, if we go with the notion that traitors might not claim prizes to avoid putting a target on their back, we can set her aside for the moment. Obviously not a lock clear

I wouldn't agree with that. Sure in the real game the traitors love getting a sheild to 'pretend' that they are safe for night. Doesn't make sense to me that Traitor would not claim a prize.

[Friar Tuck]

As I said earlier I'm overwhelmed rather than 'sitting back' and I'm finding it tricky trying to take in all the opinions and different threads of discussion at once. I'm sure I'll get used to it!

What do you mean by different threads of discussion?

Multiple people talking about different theories at once here and being discussed over each other, its hard to keep track of

[Vincent the Artist]

Might go with Gordon assuming Betty & Laura are all clear.

[Gordon the Cook]

What about the votes from last night? I copied these from a post from last night, hope they are correct

zeena - prada, gordon, mcdonald, william, rhoda, amy
ben - laura, dora, tuck, boris, magda, betty
betty - vincent, chris, ben, ina
amy - maeve, count
william - weyland
vincent - donald
mauve - pat
dora - zeena

There must be someone with a double vote on ben. If we remove laura, betty, and magda, prize winners and dead, that leaves dora, tuck, and boris. Could one of these won a prize and not claimed, ie. a traitor?

We don't know if there was a double vote or if a vote was blocked. We also don't know that whoever had this unknown power was a traitor. It could have been a faithful acting in silence to avoid heat.

Well, that faithful should speak up now and remove the confusion.
faithfuls should be doing stuff behind closed doors.
out in the open with it.

[Boris the Fool]

What about the votes from last night? I copied these from a post from last night, hope they are correct

zeena - prada, gordon, mcdonald, william, rhoda, amy
ben - laura, dora, tuck, boris, magda, betty
betty - vincent, chris, ben, ina
amy - maeve, count
william - weyland
vincent - donald
mauve - pat
dora - zeena

There must be someone with a double vote on ben. If we remove laura, betty, and magda, prize winners and dead, that leaves dora, tuck, and boris. Could one of these won a prize and not claimed, ie. a traitor?

I know I would say that but I haven’t won any prizes. I’m busy in the daytime when it all kicks off. Still undecided about where my vote will go but I agree that the Maeve interaction is key. I’ve a bit of time to trawl through stuff now so will probably land on Prada or Pat. I was going to go for Betty last night and I’m not yet clear on why she’s sort of cleared of suspicion.

[Chris the Carpenter]

I'm still not sure about@Betty the Beggar but now I also have my doubts about @Laura the Lace Mistress

Is she bluffing about Betty? I certaintly wouldn't clear Laura as some of you seem to be doing.

[Gordon the Cook]

We don't know if there was a double vote or if a vote was blocked. We also don't know that whoever had this unknown power was a traitor. It could have been a faithful acting in silence to avoid heat.

Well, that faithful should speak up now and remove the confusion.
faithfuls should be doing stuff behind closed doors.
out in the open with it.

fixed typo by reposting it all again.

Well, that faithful should speak up now and remove the confusion.
faithfuls should not be doing stuff behind closed doors.
out in the open with it.

[Ina May the Midwife]

The problem with using it on Betty is that since she's suspected by many of being a traitor - if you say she's not, we'll still need to flip one of you to verify that you're not a traitor.

I'd probably peek Zeena as her flip might tell us more about the wagonomics last night

First post after my reveal on Betty and you're suggesting banishing one of us.

"Tempted to use on Betty but is she an obvious traitor"

Sorry, which is it - you never bought into Betty being a traitor or Betty's an obvious traitor?

Nitpicking... though fair enough the phrasing I used was a bit unclear.

I agree that it would be a risky move for you but in what way would the faithfuls have Vincent if Betty flips as a traitor?

There was a fairly clear link between Betty and Vincent at this point but you're probing me over it.

I hadn't really noticed Laura much but based on the logic above, it would make more sense to banish her as a proxy for Betty since that provides more information. Her making this play now though would be very high risk considering she had been receiving no heat and Betty was/is at high risk of banishment. I'll need to think about this a but more and maybe review Laura's previous posts

Again suggesting to banish me "as a proxy" test.

I've checked back over your posts Laura and they don't really back up your assertion that you "never bought into Betty being a traitor":

These two from this morning where you seem to be getting on board the Betty train:

"I might be leaning into the Betty theory. If it was self preservation, why not vote for the person with the most votes (Zeena), instead of the person with just one vote more than her (Ben). There must have been some other reason she choose Ben rather than Zeena (has she provided that already)."

"neither Betty nor Friar made their intention to vote for Benji known before the vote. They never had any suspicion on him.... yet they voted for him. To me, that feels suss."

Whereas yesterday you seemed much cooler on it with these two posts:

"The Betty theory is interesting but it could just have been coincidence with the timing"

"I don't see any weight in the suspicion against Betty over the timing of her posts. Feels like pulling on a thread due to lack of other threads."

This type of inconsistency doesn't give me a warm feeling about you

As I said before, I think the way you staged the timeline of my posts here is trying to hide the natural timeline of my opinion on Betty.

Tbf, the Laura peek has me questioning myself where I was previously sure about you being a traitor. 

I'm happy to park it for now on the basis that it would be a huge risk for Laura to fake a peek to save you

On this last post (not about me)... one read I have on it that you are trying to set me up to be banished and realign yourself with Betty before that because you know both she and I are faithful so you are making amends ahead of that becoming common knowledge.

As I said though, I can't work out are you an enthusiastic faithful or a traitor. I'll see how the evening plays out.

I'm not going to reply in detail here but there's plenty in this that I disagree with - I've already said I'll park it though and to continue would be derailing the thread. For now, I'm happy to take your peek at face value and put you & Betty as strong faithful leans

I had Zeena as the person that I'd most likely vote for so I'm gutted that she's not a traitor.

[Chris the Carpenter]

What about the votes from last night? I copied these from a post from last night, hope they are correct

zeena - prada, gordon, mcdonald, william, rhoda, amy
ben - laura, dora, tuck, boris, magda, betty
betty - vincent, chris, ben, ina
amy - maeve, count
william - weyland
vincent - donald
mauve - pat
dora - zeena

There must be someone with a double vote on ben. If we remove laura, betty, and magda, prize winners and dead, that leaves dora, tuck, and boris. Could one of these won a prize and not claimed, ie. a traitor?

I know I would say that but I haven’t won any prizes. I’m busy in the daytime when it all kicks off. Still undecided about where my vote will go but I agree that the Maeve interaction is key. I’ve a bit of time to trawl through stuff now so will probably land on Prada or Pat. I was going to go for Betty last night and I’m not yet clear on why she’s sort of cleared of suspicion.

People are clearing Betty because Laura said she checked with her prize and she is a faithful.

So it's down to whether you buy that or not.

[Ina May the Midwife]

What do you mean by different threads of discussion?

Multiple people talking about different theories at once here and being discussed over each other, its hard to keep track of

Just pick one theory and tunnel the f*ck out of that 

* tunnelling is where you focus relentlessly on one theory to the exclusion of all others

[Laura the Lace Mistress]

Yes, they are my 100% lock in faithfuls... but does this make them good candidates to turn later in the game?

I don't know Laura now you have me back thinking Betty is a tratior.

My post that I 100% back Betty, hours after "seeing" and announcing here that she is a faithful, is making you suss? What else would she be but a 100% lock in faithful. I saw that is a faithful.

Or is it just the general, you think I'm bluffing? That I can accept.

[Chris the Carpenter]

I don't know Laura now you have me back thinking Betty is a tratior.

My post that I 100% back Betty, hours after "seeing" and announcing here that she is a faithful, is making you suss? What else would she be but a 100% lock in faithful. I saw that is a faithful.

Or is it just the general, you think I'm bluffing? That I can accept.

Yes I'm wondering are you bluffing about 'seeing' her as a faithful. I suppose for me I had myself convinced she was a tratior. I could be way off of course but I'm finding it hard to let go of that train of thought.