The Traitors- Boards/FOG Edition

[Chris the Carpenter]

Can you explain to me why you are voting friar tonight when you voted borris last night? What has borris done to convince you?

I have a post just above to Friar explaining in detail why I think there’s a traitor in the Ben votes. 
Boris has done nothing. As the game has progressed other players make more sense. 
im just doing a read of Donald and he’s not looking good either imo.

Boris has done nothing? Then why in such an important vote last night would you pick him then!

[Rhoda the Spinster]

Any particular reason that you are looking to vote for me tonight Mc?

In the tv show there has been a dagger which gave the bearer of it 2 votes at banishment. Our Monday banishment here should have been a tie and we should have had a revote but Ben was banished. That could have only happened with a vote manipulation or one extra vote. 

The traitors wouldn’t have had it in their arsenal as they had a murder in plain sight so it had to have been a prize. Process of elimination says prize was given to you, Laura and at a struggle, Betty. 

IF and it’s a big IF Betty lied then Laura also lied the next day. Does it make sense for 2 traitors to do that unnecessarily? I think not. 

It’s possible Laura lied and pretended to have a seer check but I’ve counted the prizes and it seems 4 awarded from the 10 on Monday, 3 awarded from the 7 Tuesday and 2 (?) from the 5 today. 

I think the most plausible explanation is YOU ARE A TRAITOR

 Ben and Zeena were both faithful though, why would the traitors disrupt it. 
We also don't know what the vote manipulation was. Maybe a Zeena vote was blocked. I'm not certain how faithful the game prizes are to show prizes, do people get peeks in the real traitors (only seen celeb and Irish verion).
We also don't know whether it was a faithful or a traitor who manipulated votes, or whether it was a miscount.

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

Sorry, at the time of the 5 people being picked by the traitors there was 7 people who hadnt posted (no poster). They selected one from that which is weird

Okay, but what does that have to do with me? How does that mean I'm suspect. I don't understand?

There's two of those 7 left alive, you and Betty. Betty is cleared by a peek. You're not. Im speculating that the wolves had a no show at the time of picking their list. That speculation linked with the switch on Pradas post from innocuous post to a killing in plain sight is notable to me

[McDonald the Farmer]

Lots of filler posts by the end of day one. No actual traitor hunting and heat was on confirmed faithfuls only so easy to put a vote there.

Day 2
No active hunting for Magda posts just a couple of meh mentions of it and once Maeve was confirmed as the actual murder he makes no mention of the murder in plain sight again!

I think this post was baiting “There was also likely more prizes won today, although there were less players winning today, possibly another prize that wasnt claimed, need to check who won today. Need to check if any of those were not online since” I had that field and was telling no one!

Wins insta banish and picks Zeena.

Says there must be someone with a double vote in Ben but has Dora, Friar and Boris as suspects. - hate this post.

Pocketing Laura

At vote time looks for a vote count saying probably go Boris, Dora or Friar. Quizzes Betty who she’s voting for. VOTES PAT at 9.27pm

Onto Day 3 next. Having some dinner first

[McDonald the Farmer]

Oh that’s a read of Donald

[Boris the Fool]

Can I just ask how we can be sure that Betty is cleared by the peek? Is it not possible that Laura is not telling the truth? (Apologies if it wasn't Laura). How come we are taking it as gospel? Not that I'm planning a vote that direction - I am just curious. There's no peeks on the TV version.

[Rhoda the Spinster]

Okay, but what does that have to do with me? How does that mean I'm suspect. I don't understand?

There's two of those 7 left alive, you and Betty. Betty is cleared by a peek. You're not. Im speculating that the wolves had a no show at the time of picking their list. That speculation linked with the switch on Pradas post from innocuous post to a killing in plain sight is notable to me

I don't get the leap into 7 no posters at the time of choosing and two still being alive being relevant. I don't see why a hypothetical no show wolf in a backroom would lead them to select a no show wolf for the murder pool, there is no link between those two events (one which is a hypothetical anyway). 
I didn't post until late Monday as I was busy Sunday and busy Monday in work. Because I saw in the PM sunday I was a faithful so was pretty relaxed about showing up as I have nothing to lose. If I was a traitor I would have made an effort to have some token posting at some point sunday.

[Chris the Carpenter]

Can I just ask how we can be sure that Betty is cleared by the peek? Is it not possible that Laura is not telling the truth? (Apologies if it wasn't Laura). How come we are taking it as gospel? Not that I'm planning a vote that direction - I am just curious. There's no peeks on the TV version.

As you know I was defintely tunnelling Betty but then most others said that it wouldn't make sense and peek had to be real.

Don't have me doubting myself and back on Betty's case again!

[Rhoda the Spinster]

@Weyland the Blacksmith @Boris the Fool @McDonald the Farmer @Chris the Carpenter @Laura the Lace Mistress @Countess Markievicz @Boris the Fool @Donald the Spoofer @William the Grave Robber @Betty the Beggar @Friar Tuck @Dora the Explorer @

Who are you voting for and why?

[McDonald the Farmer]

I have a post just above to Friar explaining in detail why I think there’s a traitor in the Ben votes. 
Boris has done nothing. As the game has progressed other players make more sense. 
im just doing a read of Donald and he’s not looking good either imo.

Boris has done nothing? Then why in such an important vote last night would you pick him then!

You saw yesterday that I was told I was spamming the thread looking for a link to Magda and then when Lorcan told us it was Maeve I was told by Gordon NOT to spam the thread again. 

Perhaps, if I had been left to it then the link I found this morning where Magda’s post was right before Maeve’s response to Prada would have led to Prada being banished last night with corroborating evidence.

But I took a step back from the thread for the evening as I had been told I was a distraction. 

This is my final post about it!

[Chris the Carpenter]

I'm voting @McDonald the Farmer don't think that's a surprise to anyone.

[Rhoda the Spinster]

I'm voting @McDonald the Farmer don't think that's a surprise to anyone.

What is your reasoning?

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

Can I just ask how we can be sure that Betty is cleared by the peek? Is it not possible that Laura is not telling the truth? (Apologies if it wasn't Laura). How come we are taking it as gospel? Not that I'm planning a vote that direction - I am just curious. There's no peeks on the TV version.

We cant but it's unlikely. The peek imo clears Betty. There's two plausible options in my mind

Laura won the peek and peeked Betty because logically it cleared others. This doesnt clear Laura but makes her look good

Laura is wolf who did or didnt win the peek and is trying to make herself look good.

Neither scenario clears Laura but its highly unlikely her and Betty are wolves and cleared Vincent and Benji. It doesnt make sense. Laura is still the unknown but wouldn't be a priority for me unless ive missed something obvious

[Chris the Carpenter]

Can you explain to me why you are voting friar tonight when you voted borris last night? What has borris done to convince you?

This is a good point, now @McDonald the Farmer has outlined why he is voting for Friar so at least that's an explanation whether we agree with that theory or not but still no reasoning for the random out of nowhere pick of Boris yesterday which no one else done so how would that be supporting your fellow faithfuls to find a traitor.
 
Then Borris magicially cleared of all of a sudden today.

I outlined it clearly here.

[McDonald the Farmer]

In the tv show there has been a dagger which gave the bearer of it 2 votes at banishment. Our Monday banishment here should have been a tie and we should have had a revote but Ben was banished. That could have only happened with a vote manipulation or one extra vote. 

The traitors wouldn’t have had it in their arsenal as they had a murder in plain sight so it had to have been a prize. Process of elimination says prize was given to you, Laura and at a struggle, Betty. 

IF and it’s a big IF Betty lied then Laura also lied the next day. Does it make sense for 2 traitors to do that unnecessarily? I think not. 

It’s possible Laura lied and pretended to have a seer check but I’ve counted the prizes and it seems 4 awarded from the 10 on Monday, 3 awarded from the 7 Tuesday and 2 (?) from the 5 today. 

I think the most plausible explanation is YOU ARE A TRAITOR

 Ben and Zeena were both faithful though, why would the traitors disrupt it. 
We also don't know what the vote manipulation was. Maybe a Zeena vote was blocked. I'm not certain how faithful the game prizes are to show prizes, do people get peeks in the real traitors (only seen celeb and Irish verion).
We also don't know whether it was a faithful or a traitor who manipulated votes, or whether it was a miscount.

Im going with the theory that the prize was a dagger and like in the show that gives a voter an extra vote on the same player. That means it has to be Ben. 

I have to vote Friar and if it’s not him Laura would be next.

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

@Weyland the Blacksmith @Boris the Fool @McDonald the Farmer @Chris the Carpenter @Laura the Lace Mistress @Countess Markievicz @Boris the Fool @Donald the Spoofer @William the Grave Robber @Betty the Beggar @Friar Tuck @Dora the Explorer @

Who are you voting for and why?

Im still reading back and forth on interactions

Donald's reading a little dodge based on last night's late vote

Boris is my next up for review, I need to look at some of the low posters and I want to look into the McDonald stuff around his votes

Yourself - ive outlined my thought process, my primary thoughts are based on what William said earlier regarding bussing Prada, the tone switch was quite literally from one post to the next.

Betty is my only clear one who's not up for my vote. I'll rationalise my vote before 8.30 though. We need to get this right tonight

[Betty the Beggar]

Can interest anyone in a Dora the Explorer wagon?

Reaons?

Glad you asked

Someone got a double vote on Monday, they didn't own up which is wolfy, especially since it was a bunch of Faithfuls for the chop. Dora is one of the few named that hasnt been tested yet.

That and vibes

[Countess Markievicz]

@Rhoda the Spinster just on a quick and short response. Why did you vote for Prada last night?

[Rhoda the Spinster]

@Weyland the Blacksmith @Boris the Fool @McDonald the Farmer @Chris the Carpenter @Laura the Lace Mistress @Countess Markievicz @Boris the Fool @Donald the Spoofer @William the Grave Robber @Betty the Beggar @Friar Tuck @Dora the Explorer @

Who are you voting for and why?

Im still reading back and forth on interactions

Donald's reading a little dodge based on last night's late vote

Boris is my next up for review, I need to look at some of the low posters and I want to look into the McDonald stuff around his votes

Yourself - ive outlined my thought process, my primary thoughts are based on what William said earlier regarding bussing Prada, the tone switch was quite literally from one post to the next.

Betty is my only clear one who's not up for my vote. I'll rationalise my vote before 8.30 though. We need to get this right tonight

Logically, why would the traitors resort to bussing one another when none were uncovered at that time.

We are a very divided group, there was huge focus on Betty/Vincent/Zeena and then the hunt for the Maeve killer was split between multiple people yesterday. Why not just let everyone meander along unfocused and Prada might have muddled through another vote?

I thought initially the Prada post was innocuous but then I thought that the fact it was three questions might be the mechanism. I posted it then as a theory so that people would see it. I read the whole thread back today looking for other possible means that Maeve might have been killed and didn't see anything. So I pushed on Prada more.

Also, and I didn't say this yesterday as dead people are not supposed to interact with the thread so I thought it wasn't kosher to say it, but dead Maeve briefly thanked my post were I said I thought the kill mechanism was three questions, so was certain I was right. That thanks is gone now so they may have been asked to remove it.

[Rhoda the Spinster]

@Rhoda the Spinster just on a quick and short response. Why did you vote for Prada last night?

Because therir post to Maeve was the most plausible as a task to kill in plain sight.

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

Can interest anyone in a Dora the Explorer wagon?

Reaons?

Glad you asked

Someone got a double vote on Monday, they didn't own up which is wolfy, especially since it was a bunch of Faithfuls for the chop. Dora is one of the few named that hasnt been tested yet.

That and vibes

She got a little ratty when I mentioned her as a possibility for a vote yesterday 🤣 Any other rationale?

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

Im still reading back and forth on interactions

Donald's reading a little dodge based on last night's late vote

Boris is my next up for review, I need to look at some of the low posters and I want to look into the McDonald stuff around his votes

Yourself - ive outlined my thought process, my primary thoughts are based on what William said earlier regarding bussing Prada, the tone switch was quite literally from one post to the next.

Betty is my only clear one who's not up for my vote. I'll rationalise my vote before 8.30 though. We need to get this right tonight

Logically, why would the traitors resort to bussing one another when none were uncovered at that time.

We are a very divided group, there was huge focus on Betty/Vincent/Zeena and then the hunt for the Maeve killer was split between multiple people yesterday. Why not just let everyone meander along unfocused and Prada might have muddled through another vote?

I thought initially the Prada post was innocuous but then I thought that the fact it was three questions might be the mechanism. I posted it then as a theory so that people would see it. I read the whole thread back today looking for other possible means that Maeve might have been killed and didn't see anything. So I pushed on Prada more.

Also, and I didn't say this yesterday as dead people are not supposed to interact with the thread so I thought it wasn't kosher to say it, but dead Maeve briefly thanked my post were I said I thought the kill mechanism was three questions, so was certain I was right. That thanks is gone now so they may have been asked to remove it.

Leaving the vote thanking out as its irrelevant but its highly plausible the wolves realised Prada was going to be rumbled and decided to bus. It's not a new concept

[Boris the Fool]

Also, and I didn't say this yesterday as dead people are not supposed to interact with the thread so I thought it wasn't kosher to say it, but dead Maeve briefly thanked my post were I said I thought the kill mechanism was three questions, so was certain I was right. That thanks is gone now so they may have been asked to remove it.

oooh intrigue!

[Dora the Explorer]

Can interest anyone in a Dora the Explorer wagon?

Reaons?

Glad you asked

Someone got a double vote on Monday, they didn't own up which is wolfy, especially since it was a bunch of Faithfuls for the chop. Dora is one of the few named that hasnt been tested yet.

That and vibes

I'll give you help too I'll and point out all my mistakes to make it easy for you too decide. 

First one I think was I made mistake with giving yourself a pass with the initial timing of your entrance into the game around the comoetition without reading everything clearly.

Next up was I was prob one of the first that pushed on Ben and I voted him. I did not have a double vote tho and I voted early that evening and explained my reasons several times.

Next up I went for pat last night instead or prada in the vote I thought that prada naming Maeve early meant it was to pearly for the kill mechanic and Pat was closer to the banishment time so that's why I favoured him. I did put prada second on my list. 

Today my main focus has been on trying to read back on people I find suspect.

I think that pretty much wraps up my game. I've asked questions and explained my reasoning for everything I think. 

Whats the bad vibes of you dont mind me asking??

[Boris the Fool]

ok my review is ongoing, but I think i'm not going to vote for betty or rhoda or mcdonald or weyland.

[Rhoda the Spinster]

@Weyland the Blacksmith @Boris the Fool @McDonald the Farmer @Chris the Carpenter @Laura the Lace Mistress @Countess Markievicz @Boris the Fool @Donald the Spoofer @William the Grave Robber @Betty the Beggar @Friar Tuck @Dora the Explorer @

Who are you voting for and why?

Im still reading back and forth on interactions

Donald's reading a little dodge based on last night's late vote

Boris is my next up for review, I need to look at some of the low posters and I want to look into the McDonald stuff around his votes

Yourself - ive outlined my thought process, my primary thoughts are based on what William said earlier regarding bussing Prada, the tone switch was quite literally from one post to the next.

Betty is my only clear one who's not up for my vote. I'll rationalise my vote before 8.30 though. We need to get this right tonight

Why do you take heed that William claimed I was bussing.
Do you think it is odd to vote for one of the only people to interact with Maeve?

Do you not think it was odd that William thought perhaps the killer had to say someone's name three times to kill them, then later saw a post where Prada asked the dead person three questions in a row ignored that and thought it more likely that Pat killed them by voting for them? And after Pat and Gordon were dead didn't immediately think, oh maybe the post with three questions was the kill mechanism. He didn't even say that as a possibility the follwoing morning when I asked him who he thought killed Maeve. And when I pressed him then started calling me a traitor.

Why is he not on your suss list as well?

[lorcand1990]

Players, the time for talk is over. You must now vote for who you think is a Traitor.

VOTING OPEN UNTIL 9.30

[Laura the Lace Mistress]

Other people I will be looking back on is Friar.
Put out a really informative post earlier today, so much so I read it a few times and thought how insightful for a new player. Or was it assisted from a backroom

Hmm @Dora the Explorer said the exact same about my post, have you been talking about me elsewhere? The post was about two sentences long, it was hardly that insightful I'm just learning as I go and picking up ideas from how others are framing their accusations but I do think it suss that both Dora & Laura called out for the day saying they wouldn't be around much but both reappeared to reply to my insights on them at more or less the same time - did someone give them a heads up? Was it you?

Look at the time during which I came active again... lunch time. I've had a full on day at work (hardly a shock) but was as active as I could in that window. I knew it'd be like that so I was up front to try and avoid a retroactive explainer.

I'm still suss on you Friar, for the same reasons as before. I accept that it's not the strongest evidence but it's the best I can go on. The only thing maybe turning my head is getting on board with Betty on the Dora express. Not that I have anything on Dora, but I 100% trust Betty at the moment and she called it right with the instabanish earlier.

[lorcand1990]

Donald the Spoofer has voted for Boris the Fool by proxy

[Dora the Explorer]

ok my review is ongoing, but I think i'm not going to vote for betty or rhoda or mcdonald or weyland.

You not trust Laura's peek on Betty?

[lorcand1990]

MOD NOTE

Please do not highlight dead players thanking posts, as it is not permitted.

Let that be the end of any discussion regarding it.

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

Im still reading back and forth on interactions

Donald's reading a little dodge based on last night's late vote

Boris is my next up for review, I need to look at some of the low posters and I want to look into the McDonald stuff around his votes

Yourself - ive outlined my thought process, my primary thoughts are based on what William said earlier regarding bussing Prada, the tone switch was quite literally from one post to the next.

Betty is my only clear one who's not up for my vote. I'll rationalise my vote before 8.30 though. We need to get this right tonight

Why do you take heed that William claimed I was bussing.
Do you think it is odd to vote for one of the only people to interact with Maeve?

Do you not think it was odd that William thought perhaps the killer had to say someone's name three times to kill them, then later saw a post where Prada asked the dead person three questions in a row ignored that and thought it more likely that Pat killed them by voting for them? And after Pat and Gordon were dead didn't immediately think, oh maybe the post with three questions was the kill mechanism. He didn't even say that as a possibility the follwoing morning when I asked him who he thought killed Maeve. And when I pressed him then started calling me a traitor.

Why is he not on your suss list as well?

He was on my suss list on day 1, I in fact voted for him. I also feel like he's made some good points and been on the ball. My opinion on him changed, hes not clear but he's not one im overly concerned about.

I will be really honest, i've named other people today and looked into them, some have reacted, some haven't. You've appear to have gotten very irritated by being questioned. The only person clear from scrutiny for anyone in this game should be Betty, everyone else is fair game

Do you think William is a traitor? Who do you think is?

[Rhoda the Spinster]

Vote: William.

Hypothesised kill in plain sight might involve killer doing things in threes.

Knew that Prada asked Maeve three questions (thanked my post saying it).

This morning when I asked who he thought was killer (Pat and Gordon dead at this point) said he didn't know.

Then started saying I was copying his posts and was a traitor bussing a traitor too deflect from the inconsistency that he wasn't calling out Prada interacting in 'threes' as possibly the killer.

[Betty the Beggar]

Im still reading back and forth on interactions

Donald's reading a little dodge based on last night's late vote

Boris is my next up for review, I need to look at some of the low posters and I want to look into the McDonald stuff around his votes

Yourself - ive outlined my thought process, my primary thoughts are based on what William said earlier regarding bussing Prada, the tone switch was quite literally from one post to the next.

Betty is my only clear one who's not up for my vote. I'll rationalise my vote before 8.30 though. We need to get this right tonight

Logically, why would the traitors resort to bussing one another when none were uncovered at that time.

We are a very divided group, there was huge focus on Betty/Vincent/Zeena and then the hunt for the Maeve killer was split between multiple people yesterday. Why not just let everyone meander along unfocused and Prada might have muddled through another vote?

I thought initially the Prada post was innocuous but then I thought that the fact it was three questions might be the mechanism. I posted it then as a theory so that people would see it. I read the whole thread back today looking for other possible means that Maeve might have been killed and didn't see anything. So I pushed on Prada more.

Also, and I didn't say this yesterday as dead people are not supposed to interact with the thread so I thought it wasn't kosher to say it, but dead Maeve briefly thanked my post were I said I thought the kill mechanism was three questions, so was certain I was right. That thanks is gone now so they may have been asked to remove it.

It didn't look like a bus at the time, Prada had no vote

[McDonald the Farmer]

Vote: Friar Tuck

No hard feelings towards anyone btw. This game is a head melt and I do post ALOT 😂

[Boris the Fool]

ok my review is ongoing, but I think i'm not going to vote for betty or rhoda or mcdonald or weyland.

You not trust Laura's peek on Betty?

Wouldn't it be a good move for a traitor to reveal a peek that someone is a faithful the implication being that they must also be faithful?
They might never have had a peek (they just know she's faithful because they are a traitor themselves) or they did win a peek and decided to use it anyway (even though they already knew). 
Or am I missing something (living up to the old handle)?

[Betty the Beggar]

ok my review is ongoing, but I think i'm not going to vote for betty or rhoda or mcdonald or weyland.

You do you but I have been seer cleared and killed the only traitor we've caught

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

Logically, why would the traitors resort to bussing one another when none were uncovered at that time.

We are a very divided group, there was huge focus on Betty/Vincent/Zeena and then the hunt for the Maeve killer was split between multiple people yesterday. Why not just let everyone meander along unfocused and Prada might have muddled through another vote?

I thought initially the Prada post was innocuous but then I thought that the fact it was three questions might be the mechanism. I posted it then as a theory so that people would see it. I read the whole thread back today looking for other possible means that Maeve might have been killed and didn't see anything. So I pushed on Prada more.

Also, and I didn't say this yesterday as dead people are not supposed to interact with the thread so I thought it wasn't kosher to say it, but dead Maeve briefly thanked my post were I said I thought the kill mechanism was three questions, so was certain I was right. That thanks is gone now so they may have been asked to remove it.

It didn't look like a bus at the time, Prada had no vote

It didnt but both Prada and Donald voted late to put Gordon and Pat two clear. If they had some sort of vote manipulation power on day 1, they may have feared it was in place on day 2. Prada was in the armoury on day 1 so could have won a vote manipulation.

This started with a review of posts, Rhodas reaction was unexpected so this back and forth has somewhat escalated as the evenings gone on

[Chris the Carpenter]

Vote:McDonald just does't add up for me.

[Boris the Fool]

ok my review is ongoing, but I think i'm not going to vote for betty or rhoda or mcdonald or weyland.

You do you but I have been seer cleared and killed the only traitor we've caught

i said NOT going to vote.