Round Table Discussion Thread

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

Vote Zeena

Sorry, I had you as solid Faithful but can’t explain the failed Traitor kill N1.

This is a weird vote, even if you think I'm triator.

4 votes on Dora, Friar, william, weyland, countess.
This was when Friar got 4 votes also.

Are you seriously saying only one wolf? why are you not going weyland if you are village?

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

I had nothing on Friar that time, I had Eddie village and didn't trust Dora would vote Friar also.

Only one player voted Friar that night, this is a weak argument against me

I only asked you to explain it, who said it was an argument against you? The reaction is more important

Well I explained it then, Everyone is listening to Gordon, thats why I'm reacting

[Moe the Innkeeper]

I only asked you to explain it, who said it was an argument against you? The reaction is more important

Well I explained it then, Everyone is listening to Gordon, thats why I'm reacting

You said you didn't trust Dora, but if Dora didn't do what they said that would've given us info wouldn't it?

[Gordon the Cook]

I only asked you to explain it, who said it was an argument against you? The reaction is more important

Well I explained it then, Everyone is listening to Gordon, thats why I'm reacting

Why did you not engage honestly with what I was laying out. You played dumb, and seemed to go for faulty reasons why it couldn't happen.

1. I could have said i could only save myself.
2. Traitors can't kill themselves/


vote zeena

[Moe the Innkeeper]

It's a pity Weyland isn't around to defend themselves too

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

Well I explained it then, Everyone is listening to Gordon, thats why I'm reacting

You said you didn't trust Dora, but if Dora didn't do what they said that would've given us info wouldn't it?

Hindsight is a great thing, I probably could have played that one better

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

countesses vote of strange, see you on the other side guys, good luck

[Moe the Innkeeper]

You said you didn't trust Dora, but if Dora didn't do what they said that would've given us info wouldn't it?

Hindsight is a great thing, I probably could have played that one better

Vote Zeena

[Necro]

Zeena the Warrior Princess has fallen on her own sword.

Zeena has been banished.

Zeena...

Was....

Faithful.

[Necro]

As per, players now have to make another decision

Do you wish to end the game?

Vote Yes or No

A single no will see the game continue to the next vote between 5 and 6pm

[Necro]

Weyland the Blacksmith has cast a proxy vote to End the Game.

[Gordon the Cook]

vote no

[Gordon the Cook]

proxy vote weyland, proxy vote no.

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

It's a pity Weyland isn't around to defend themselves too

I am around now for the next hour or so, not much to defend. I know I have been absent a good bit but that is due to an issue in work.

Any questions ask away.

[Gordon the Cook]

It's a pity Weyland isn't around to defend themselves too

I am around now for the next hour or so, not much to defend. I know I have been absent a good bit but that is due to an issue in work.

Any questions ask away.

Why the votes to end the game, do you think there was only ever one traitor playing against us the whole game?

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

I am around now for the next hour or so, not much to defend. I know I have been absent a good bit but that is due to an issue in work.

Any questions ask away.

Why the votes to end the game, do you think there was only ever one traitor playing against us the whole game?

No it's because I know my availability is limited and I don't want to be the one to force the game to continue if you all want it to end when I am not around

[Moe the Innkeeper]

It's a pity Weyland isn't around to defend themselves too

I am around now for the next hour or so, not much to defend. I know I have been absent a good bit but that is due to an issue in work.

Any questions ask away.

Pity, you just missed being on thread for the vote. Who is your best guess at being a traitor and why?

[Moe the Innkeeper]

What's the story with Zeena and that prize?

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

I am around now for the next hour or so, not much to defend. I know I have been absent a good bit but that is due to an issue in work.

Any questions ask away.

Pity, you just missed being on thread for the vote. Who is your best guess at being a traitor and why?

Yes as I had a meeting 12.30-2 so knew I couldn't place a vote on thread.

I gave my thoughts earlier but given Zeena is now gone then I reckon we look at Countess next as the information gained from her prize is information that would be know to a traitor without needing a prize. 

If it is not her then I can't call it between you and Gordon!

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

What's the story with Zeena and that prize?

Traitors must have thought she was bluffing?

[Moe the Innkeeper]

What's the story with Zeena and that prize?

Traitors must have thought she was bluffing?

Gordon, Countess.. What do ye think?

[Countess Markievicz]

Traitors must have thought she was bluffing?

Gordon, Countess.. What do ye think?

I could only see two options, and guess this is the only one left. That she was bluffing, or that she wouldn't use it N1, or would use it on someone else. I do not understand why traitors would have targeted her that Night.

[Gordon the Cook]

Traitors must have thought she was bluffing?

Gordon, Countess.. What do ye think?

Only a member of 
@Zeena Warrior Princess
@Weyland the Blacksmith
@Friar Tuck
@Countess Markievicz
@Gordon the Cook
thinks she bluffing, as they are who would also get a prize. Did friar also get a shield prize, so they though zeena was lying?

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

Gordon, Countess.. What do ye think?

Only a member of 
@Zeena Warrior Princess
@Weyland the Blacksmith
@Friar Tuck
@Countess Markievicz
@Gordon the Cook
thinks she bluffing, as they are who would also get a prize. Did friar also get a shield prize, so they though zeena was lying?

I don't think Friar got a shield. Why would he make up a different prize (if he really won a prize) instead of just calling Zeena out and trying to get her banished earlier earlier?

[Moe the Innkeeper]

Gordon, Countess.. What do ye think?

I could only see two options, and guess this is the only one left. That she was bluffing, or that she wouldn't use it N1, or would use it on someone else. I do not understand why traitors would have targeted her that Night.

Yeah I can't see anything else either

So Zeena was telling the truth about her prize, she won a shield in the first game

[Gordon the Cook]

Only a member of 
@Zeena Warrior Princess
@Weyland the Blacksmith
@Friar Tuck
@Countess Markievicz
@Gordon the Cook
thinks she bluffing, as they are who would also get a prize. Did friar also get a shield prize, so they though zeena was lying?

I don't think Friar got a shield. Why would he make up a different prize (if he really won a prize) instead of just calling Zeena out and trying to get her banished earlier earlier?

But he didn't make up any prize for day 1. They would need to keep it secret, it they think they caught zeena out on a bluff.

[Countess Markievicz]

I can also imagine that the N1 shield was a team prize which protected the entire team, so someone else was targeted but protected by the shield, but a faithful Zeena would/should/could have clarified that.

[Gordon the Cook]

I can also imagine that the N1 shield was a team prize which protected the entire team, so someone else was targeted but protected by the shield, but a faithful Zeena would/should/could have clarified that.

Yes, and I asked that exact question, and they clarieied that is was not and it was only ever protecting them night 1 and 2

[Gordon the Cook]

Zeena, was your first prize a team shield?

Asked here

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

I don't think Friar got a shield. Why would he make up a different prize (if he really won a prize) instead of just calling Zeena out and trying to get her banished earlier earlier?

But he didn't make up any prize for day 1. They would need to keep it secret, it they think they caught zeena out on a bluff.

Why would he make up a prize for day 1 if Zeena and Countess had already claimed prizes?

My point was that he possibly did win a prize day 2 (not a shield) and maybe came up with something other than what he actually won and used it to make Dora look like a traitor as Countess had said there was a traitor in the night 1 votes and it was then between him and Dora. So making it look like Dora moved during the night pahse made her look like a traitor. 

Whereas instead of making up a prize he could have easily claimed to have won the shield to cast doubt on Zeena especially considering there was already a few doubting she could have won the shield twice.

[Gordon the Cook]

But he didn't make up any prize for day 1. They would need to keep it secret, it they think they caught zeena out on a bluff.

Why would he make up a prize for day 1 if Zeena and Countess had already claimed prizes?

My point was that he possibly did win a prize day 2 (not a shield) and maybe came up with something other than what he actually won and used it to make Dora look like a traitor as Countess had said there was a traitor in the night 1 votes and it was then between him and Dora. So making it look like Dora moved during the night pahse made her look like a traitor. 

Whereas instead of making up a prize he could have easily claimed to have won the shield to cast doubt on Zeena especially considering there was already a few doubting she could have won the shield twice.

This whole conversation thread started with why zeena was targeted night 1.

You said they thought she was bluffing.
I expanded, they ony reason they would hae thought she was bluffing is if they were on of the ones who won prizes on day 1 and it was also a shied.
You then go on to talk about day 2 prizes, which has nothing todo with zeena being targeted.

[Moe the Innkeeper]

Gordon, Countess.. What do ye think?

Only a member of 
@Zeena Warrior Princess
@Weyland the Blacksmith
@Friar Tuck
@Countess Markievicz
@Gordon the Cook
thinks she bluffing, as they are who would also get a prize. Did friar also get a shield prize, so they though zeena was lying?

I can also imagine that the N1 shield was a team prize which protected the entire team, so someone else was targeted but protected by the shield, but a faithful Zeena would/should/could have clarified that.

Gordon's answer is speculative
Countess' answer isn't true and doesn't make sense because Zeena said they protected themself

[Countess Markievicz]

Only a member of 
@Zeena Warrior Princess
@Weyland the Blacksmith
@Friar Tuck
@Countess Markievicz
@Gordon the Cook
thinks she bluffing, as they are who would also get a prize. Did friar also get a shield prize, so they though zeena was lying?

I can also imagine that the N1 shield was a team prize which protected the entire team, so someone else was targeted but protected by the shield, but a faithful Zeena would/should/could have clarified that.

Gordon's answer is speculative
Countess' answer isn't true and doesn't make sense because Zeena said they protected themself

I was following up on my response to the earlier question, whether traitors thought she was bluffing, and discarded this option as she would have told us, so conclusion is they thought she was bluffing, not going to use the shield N1, or use it on someone else.

[Moe the Innkeeper]

Gordon's answer is speculative
Countess' answer isn't true and doesn't make sense because Zeena said they protected themself

I was following up on my response to the earlier question, whether traitors thought she was bluffing, and discarded this option as she would have told us, so conclusion is they thought she was bluffing, not going to use the shield N1, or use it on someone else.

I've read this a few times & I can't understand it. Can you explain it to me again?

[Countess Markievicz]

I was following up on my response to the earlier question, whether traitors thought she was bluffing, and discarded this option as she would have told us, so conclusion is they thought she was bluffing, not going to use the shield N1, or use it on someone else.

I've read this a few times & I can't understand it. Can you explain it to me again?

Sure.

You quoted Weyland's suggestion that traitors thought Zeena was lying and asked my opinion:

Traitors must have thought she was bluffing?

Gordon, Countess.. What do ye think?

I said that I agreed, since the other option - that she was a traitor and pretended she was the N1 target - has been eliminated:

Gordon, Countess.. What do ye think?

I could only see two options, and guess this is the only one left. That she was bluffing, or that she wouldn't use it N1, or would use it on someone else. I do not understand why traitors would have targeted her that Night.

I added another option that I'd considered, which has also been eliminated since she said she could use the shield on herself or pass it to someone else:

I can also imagine that the N1 shield was a team prize which protected the entire team, so someone else was targeted but protected by the shield, but a faithful Zeena would/should/could have clarified that.

You said my answer is not true and doesn't make sense:

Only a member of 
@Zeena Warrior Princess
@Weyland the Blacksmith
@Friar Tuck
@Countess Markievicz
@Gordon the Cook
thinks she bluffing, as they are who would also get a prize. Did friar also get a shield prize, so they though zeena was lying?

I can also imagine that the N1 shield was a team prize which protected the entire team, so someone else was targeted but protected by the shield, but a faithful Zeena would/should/could have clarified that.

Gordon's answer is speculative
Countess' answer isn't true and doesn't make sense because Zeena said they protected themself

And I explained I was continuing the thought from earlier, what other options apart from thinking Zeena was bluffing could have led traitors to attacking her:

Gordon's answer is speculative
Countess' answer isn't true and doesn't make sense because Zeena said they protected themself

I was following up on my response to the earlier question, whether traitors thought she was bluffing, and discarded this option as she would have told us, so conclusion is they thought she was bluffing, not going to use the shield N1, or use it on someone else.

[Moe the Innkeeper]

Ok, I read that post I called untrue was you saying that at this minute you can imagine the prize being a team prize, that's why I called it untrue

When you say Zeena should have clarified the prize, when should they have done that?

[Countess Markievicz]

When the murders were over.

Unless you have some additional insight, I think the safest conclusion is that she was the traitor target, and survived the attack. Not sure if we can learn anything else about the events of that Night unless a traitor wants to share their thought process.

[Moe the Innkeeper]

Zeena, was your first prize a team shield?

Both shields were the same

I could use it on myself or give it to someone

One piece of info I left out to protect myself a bit was that they had to be used the night I won them. 

I used both on myself, Monday night and Tuesday night

I lied yesterday when I said I still had it, but in any case there were no more murders so it's redundant now

But they did clairfy it when the murders were over?

[Countess Markievicz]

Yes, I said "would/should/could", all three, had it been the case that the shield covered the entire team, Zeena would/should/could have stated that, but she didn't, and she was faithful, so it's a non-starter.

[Moe the Innkeeper]

Yes, I said "would/should/could", all three, had it been the case that the shield covered the entire team, Zeena would/should/could have stated that, but she didn't, and she was faithful, so it's a non-starter.

Ah ok, maybe I'm reading it aresways then? You were speculating and I was reading it as fact?