(13-08-2025, 08:30 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: @Jacob the Tailor  @Lilly the Millennial  @Zeena Warrior Princess  have ye voted?

(13-08-2025, 08:50 PM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: Well it looks like the dye is set.

Not one of you responded to my thread today at lunchtime.

So much for supporting a newbie.

Well  I will leave with my head held high.

I hope you can live with the guilt when you find out I'm a villager!

How are you going to figure out the last two wolves now!

(13-08-2025, 09:04 PM)Necro Wrote: @Zeena Warrior Princess has been lynched.

As the final voter went to pull the lever to hang her, Zeena whipped out a knife, quick as a flash and shouted 'I'm especially good at Expectorating!'

They attempted to plunge the knife into the final voter... but it bounced off them. [b]Zeena's final revenge had failed. A message flashed up for those who remained alive to see.[/b]

STRONGER THAN A GOD

Zeena Warrior Princess was...

GASTON - WOLF STRONGMAN

(13-08-2025, 09:05 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: Woooohooo

(13-08-2025, 09:04 PM)Necro Wrote: @Zeena Warrior Princess has been lynched.

As the final voter went to pull the lever to hang her, Zeena whipped out a knife, quick as a flash and shouted 'I'm especially good at Expectorating!'

They attempted to plunge the knife into the final voter... but it bounced off them. [b]Zeena's final revenge had failed. A message flashed up for those who remained alive to see.[/b]

STRONGER THAN A GOD

Zeena Warrior Princess was...

GASTON - WOLF STRONGMAN

(13-08-2025, 09:08 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: Have to say though, fair play to Zeena, she had me fooled for the most..

(13-08-2025, 09:12 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: Nevermind that vote, it's to try confuse us, just forget you even seen it

Quote:Xeena: I know she is new but that's all she says. Asks what's going on and what is happening. Not posting much and there doesn't seem to be any eagerness to wolf hunt.

Vincent. Very similar to Xeena. Not posting much. Not trying to figure things out. The is village good question seemed in stark contrast to assessing the hit rate of dead rolled posters vs NRVs. Scrupulously polite, as if not trying to make waves.

Lilly: Dunno. I wasn't keen on them yesterday, in large part due to the Mc power thief thing. When mc turned out to be scar didn't have as much misgivings about Lily, but they have been quite absent today which is giving me pause.


Village to wolf

Village Dexter, me

Middle Amy, Jake, Lilly

Wolfiest Countess, Vincent, Xeena.

Quote:Lilly - niggle here, will need to see more
Vincent and Zeena - 2 noobs trying to find their feet in the game

(10-08-2025, 07:32 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote:

(10-08-2025, 07:29 PM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: I haven't a clue! Hopefully I'm not the only newbie .

You're not alone on that count. We'll muddle through and learn as we go

(11-08-2025, 12:06 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: I'm inclined to think the flavour is just flavour. Beast returning to human form isn't based on his death but the filling of the curse-breaking requirements - loving another and earning their love in return before the rose loses all its petals.

(11-08-2025, 08:33 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote:

(11-08-2025, 08:22 PM)Raymond the Shoemaker Wrote: Has everyone declared? That's the other thing if not everyone has declared it might be hard to hedge bets by moving. I voted for Amy. Would move to Oprah if necessary, they are not terribly helpful to teh village.

I haven't declared yet. I'm voting Oprah who I believe introduced the idea of multiple lynch Cruella in the event of a tie and in later posts distanced themselves from that.

(11-08-2025, 09:32 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: Thanks @Lilly the Millennial and @Raymond the Shoemaker . I just wanted to confirm because I thought there was some ambiguity earlier around Friar Tuck.

So we've lost 4 villagers - 3 roled of which 2 had hidden roles. That's some strike rate

(12-08-2025, 10:09 AM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: Morning all

(12-08-2025, 08:26 AM)Raymond the Shoemaker Wrote: @Dexter the Dragoon not much to go on with either of those, but I agree with not discounting them. What stands out the most to me is is the Vincent quote about the strike rate.

Also in the low posters is Moe, who I keep nearly forgetting about.

Happy to explain my strike rate comment if that helps. My understanding coming into this was the majority of the village are NRVs so what happened yesterday with the baddies hitting 3 roled villagers and avoiding NRVs felt like a lot. And now Aladdin is gone too
I didn't include Oprah in that count because there was more of a collective role in that.

(12-08-2025, 12:03 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: By my count, from last night's vote we've four verified village votes and one SK vote.

Each verified village vote went to a different player:
Boris voted Oprah
Dora voted Amy
Gordon voted Raymond
Oprah voted Jacob.

McDonald also voted Oprah

That leaves 5 non-verified village votes and 4 wolf votes from the remainder. Technically that means that all of the remaining Oprah votes from yesterday can be village. I think it unlikely that tactically the wolves would not have included at least one vote on Oprah especially given how the discussion was going yesterday but that's speculation.

I know my vote on Oprah was a village vote which turned out to be misplaced but I'm aware that can be claimed by any of the others who voted Oprah also

(14-08-2025, 09:06 AM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: That's the most work you've done all game 😂🤷‍♂️

(13-08-2025, 06:25 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: Consensus time for vote so 😂

(13-08-2025, 06:25 PM)Jacob the Tailor Wrote:

(13-08-2025, 06:25 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: Consensus time for vote so 😂

Lily for me, vote gone in

(13-08-2025, 06:26 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: Lilly for me too. Will vote now

(13-08-2025, 06:27 PM)Jacob the Tailor Wrote:

(13-08-2025, 06:26 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: Lilly for me too. Will vote now

Why?

(13-08-2025, 06:30 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote:

(13-08-2025, 11:26 AM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: I've no experience of whether role claims, especially these blatant ones can be purely a tactic, so until someone suggests otherwise I'm taking them at face value.

That would put my village as:
Vincent
Dexter
Jacob

That leave two wolves in these three players: Zeena, Lilly and Amy.

My village to wolf list:
Vincent
Dexter
Jacob
Amy
Lilly
Zeena

I had two wolves in Amy, Zeena and Lilly. With Amy being proved NRV my two wolves are Zeena and Lilly. No point in splitting the vote if you're going for Lilly

(13-08-2025, 06:31 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote:

(13-08-2025, 06:26 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: Lilly for me too. Will vote now

Ah so lilly is Gaston is it...

(13-08-2025, 06:36 PM)Jacob the Tailor Wrote:

(13-08-2025, 06:31 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: Ah so lilly is Gaston is it...

You got that covered?

(13-08-2025, 06:37 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: I've no either who is Gaston so if that's your thinking @Dexter the Dragoon I'm happy to move my vote

(13-08-2025, 06:39 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote:

(13-08-2025, 06:36 PM)Jacob the Tailor Wrote: You got that covered?

Yeah alarm set.. 😂


Do we see 2 wolves voting together last night.. 

If not, it could be lilly/Zeena or Vincent/Zeena

(13-08-2025, 06:42 PM)Jacob the Tailor Wrote:

(13-08-2025, 06:39 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: Yeah alarm set.. 😂


Do we see 2 wolves voting together last night.. 

If not, it could be lilly/Zeena or Vincent/Zeena

Honestly I don't see two wolves voting together last night which means Zeena is a wolf

(13-08-2025, 06:43 PM)Jacob the Tailor Wrote: @Dexter the Dragoon I will change my vote to Zeena in a pinch, thoughts?

(13-08-2025, 06:47 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote:

(13-08-2025, 06:43 PM)Jacob the Tailor Wrote: @Dexter the Dragoon I will change my vote to Zeena in a pinch, thoughts?

Nah you are grand sure

(13-08-2025, 06:49 PM)Jacob the Tailor Wrote:

(13-08-2025, 06:47 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: Nah you are grand sure

Are you sure? I think it makes sense to vote Zeena tbh. Who you voting?

(13-08-2025, 07:07 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote:

(13-08-2025, 06:49 PM)Jacob the Tailor Wrote: Are you sure? I think it makes sense to vote Zeena tbh. Who you voting?

What's the thoughts with Zeena making more sense?

(13-08-2025, 07:09 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: I won't be available to some time after 8 now due to RL but I'll get last vote on either, I don't mind

(13-08-2025, 07:10 PM)Jacob the Tailor Wrote:

(13-08-2025, 07:09 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: I won't be available to some time after 8 now due to RL but I'll get last vote on either, I don't mind

Ok Zeena it is IL lchsnge now 

Can others confirm

(13-08-2025, 07:12 PM)Jacob the Tailor Wrote:

(13-08-2025, 07:07 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: What's the thoughts with Zeena making more sense?

I just don't see two wolves voting together last night on me.

(13-08-2025, 07:12 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: I can change from Lilly to Zeena if you want

(13-08-2025, 07:20 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote:

(13-08-2025, 07:12 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: I can change from Lilly to Zeena if you want

That's done now

(13-08-2025, 07:21 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: Zeena, do not say who you are voting for.. just vote

(13-08-2025, 07:21 PM)Lilly the Millennial Wrote: Sorry I've been absent, and I will have very limited access this evening.
All I know at this stage is I'm not wolf. It has to be @Vincent the Artist and @Zeena Warrior Princess

You said yourself @Dexter the Dragoon that @Vincent the Artist was too good to not have help.

It's a coin flip for me as to who goes first. Happy with Zeena

(13-08-2025, 07:25 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote:

(13-08-2025, 07:21 PM)Lilly the Millennial Wrote: Sorry I've been absent, and I will have very limited access this evening.
All I know at this stage is I'm not wolf. It has to be @Vincent the Artist and @Zeena Warrior Princess

You said yourself @Dexter the Dragoon that @Vincent the Artist was too good to not have help.

It's a coin flip for me as to who goes first. Happy with Zeena

This reads like a gloat..

(13-08-2025, 07:33 PM)Lilly the Millennial Wrote: Not a gloat!

(13-08-2025, 07:36 PM)Lilly the Millennial Wrote: Just life is preventing me from play so I'm sorry

(13-08-2025, 07:53 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: Has everyone Voted?

(13-08-2025, 07:56 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: Yeah I have.

I'm out this evening and will be sporadically checking in when I can.

(14-08-2025, 09:06 AM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: That's the most work you've done all game 😂🤷‍♂️

(14-08-2025, 09:21 AM)Jacob the Tailor Wrote:

(14-08-2025, 09:06 AM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: That's the most work you've done all game 😂🤷‍♂️

Vincent isn't far off her tbf he's sat in the shadows too but he hasn't changed his style all game there's barely 2 pages of posts from him. Lily comes across as panicking now, funny that Lily, when you accused me of being a panicked wolf, "look how the turn tables" -Michael Scott

(13-08-2025, 06:25 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: Consensus time for vote so 😂

(14-08-2025, 09:27 AM)Lilly the Millennial Wrote:

(14-08-2025, 09:06 AM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: That's the most work you've done all game 😂🤷‍♂️

I am the first to put up my hands and yes, I'm sorry. TBH I'm reconsidering future games with my work demands right now. It isn't fair on others in the game.
It is shown in how I missed Jacob's gun all game. I think that would have been very obvious to me, an experienced player, if I was a wolf. That's what wolves do, they look out for posts like that. 

I'm actually wondering if I had been given a role would I have been more invested but I still think work is so shit right now, I couldn't have.

It seems the smoking gun, pardon the pun, is because it is unlikely 2 new players have randed wolf. But that doesn't carry through logically. You could have all our most inexperienced players as wolf very easily. It's RNG. That's how it works.

Anyway I have a stand up now, so will hopefully see what other posts I can find on Vincent. Because I am village.

(12-08-2025, 07:01 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: For what it's worth the chances of both newbies being randed as bad is 9.5% 😂 lower again if it's both as wolves. Stranger things have happened though I suppose 😂

(11-08-2025, 09:14 PM)Lilly the Millennial Wrote:

(11-08-2025, 02:37 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote: I like most of Dexters postings on a first read through, second time round though the reads list seems a little off to me. It is a big list but not actually saying a lot. More of a summary of what he has seen as opposed to his thoughts. Most places where he has a negative towards someone, it is generally followed by a positive. Then when challenged there is a bit of a role back and "I actually like you" type of reply. Feels like Dexter is a little bit keen to avoid confrontation

(11-08-2025, 04:28 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote: No because there isnt much rational reason to do a reads list from D0 when by your own admission there is not much happening. I play the game differently to you, I go read a players posts and interactions, as I said, I like your postings on first reasoning and went back to do my second reading. I didnt like your reads list/thoughts post, I didnt like a couple of posts later you being challenged and rolling back. Nice use of the word Hogwash though, someone from the middle ages is nodding approvement from above.

(11-08-2025, 05:21 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote: I didnt tilt it as a reads list, you asked me had I done one which is why I referred to your list as a read list/thoughts post.

I have some posters who I would suspect as being potentially bad, I already mentioned you, would be on my FFA. Friar Tuck is where my vote would be right now. I would peek you.

Amy is niggling me a bit and I am currently reading through there (She'd be the third person on my FFA. Countess Markevich is next.

I like Boris, I kinda like Gordon but he through me off with his two names for votes plan. This was a plan that was beneficial for wolves but I dont know would a wolf put that out there. This is what triggered the niggle with Amy, she was straight on board supporting that plan. A wolf might not suggest it but supporting it is less suspicious than making the plan.

I kinda like Lilly too put havent done a full read back there.

The rest I need to read more of

(11-08-2025, 06:45 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote: I feel like Raymond is somewhat parroting something I said earlier to Dexter. Basically I didnt like your plan as it was potentially advantagous towards the Wolves. Then I said Amy pinged by jumping on agreeing with you immediately which in itself felt more wolfy to me. 

Interested to see Raymonds reply to you here.

(11-08-2025, 07:22 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote: @Raymond the Shoemaker  After saying all the above, I am currently voting for Amy, I dont have a problem with your direction of vote, more so how you got there

(11-08-2025, 07:29 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote: I am on Amy well, will be in the next couple of mins

Also, need to sign up to a spelling and grammar course after this game, can hardly read my own bloody posts

(11-08-2025, 07:33 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote: Ah ok, felt like I was missing something. Ignore me so

I think these are the posts where Dora calls out who is she is suss of. It was mainly Friar, also Dexter, Raymond and Amy. 

So question is, was it role hunting or was Dora getting too close?

(11-08-2025, 09:22 PM)Lilly the Millennial Wrote:

(11-08-2025, 09:13 PM)Necro Wrote: Voting Results Night 1:

Time for wagonomics.
4 wolves. There will be a couple on Oprah, and possibly one on Amy, and one off wagon.

(12-08-2025, 05:59 PM)Lilly the Millennial Wrote: I'm glad to see I was missed. With my job, I rarely get time to be looking at this thread during the day - and maybe that's not fair on the game, but I try to contribute when I can outside work hours. Unfortunately, today I was offsite and not desk based, so no opportunity to check in at all, even on lunch. 

I think I have caught up on the thread as best I can. 
Re: mod kill, glad it worked in favour of the village, because before this I was screaming at Dexter not to shoot Vincent, it was too risky. 

There are posts I noted down as I read through, but I'm not going to quote them as I go.

Firstly, Boris could surely have gotten a peek if it's a night time action. However, in post 626, @Amy the Singer says "Boris possibly peeked Ray or Lilly" and insinuates that I am a wolf as a result. However, Boris' exact words on me were "So I'm unsure there tbh." 
Raymond is a possibility for a peek based on his posting. 

However, going back to post 613, I did find Amy saying "if your evidence of her having a peek is her voting me then no she didn't have one". This I felt was a bit suss as it would surely be something Hans would say. A good peek cannot be trusted! 

Post 657 @Countess Markievicz has me crossed off the list as someone who is dead, mind telling me why? 

@Zeena Warrior Princess#673 you say I am not a wolf but I know you have to ask. Who was asking? This feels a bit like posting for posting sake. 

@Vincent the Artist help a girl out please. I liked your post 708 however it would be helpful if you had names alongside your hard work. I know this is because I'm playing catch-up but who do you think is likely wolf? 

Finally all the latest notes I have are on 
@Jacob the Tailor

On relation to Moe's votes, I thought you were very eager to clear people based on Moe's posts. Wolves have been known to bus other wolves very easily so I wouldn't be as eager as you. Saying that would Moe put a wolf on their FFA day one? This would surely be highly unlikely? From the remaining mentions, Friar and Dora were village and Mc Scar, leaving a possible wolf in Lilly, Vincent, Zeena, Dexter and Amy. 
Missing from Moe's list is Raymond I think. 
I would like to take time this eve to cross check this with the votes from last night. 

Finally @Jacob the Tailor
703 - 704, you call me out , saying it's all fluff and telling people not very village. But you don't provide any evidence of this. 
Post 715, I felt when you were questioned on the Amy peek thing, you were very quick to drop that and deflected quickly to "look at Lilly!". Again, in post 734, it was deflection instead of answering the questions posed. 

Based on all the above, I don't know where I am voting just yet. I read back on Zeena's posts and I don't see any crumbs, but I am useless at spotting them (however Dexter was very obvious). I am quite interested to see what they have to say when they do post. 

Right now, my village lean is Dexter. 

Unsure
Constance
Vincent

Possible wolves in no particular order:
Raymond
Amy
Jacob
Zeena

I'm going now to cook some dinner and I'll be back online in around an hour or so.

(12-08-2025, 07:18 PM)Lilly the Millennial Wrote:

(12-08-2025, 07:03 PM)Countess Markievicz Wrote: was meant to be mcdonald. dont read too much into it

Is that not the point of the game? Reading into everything?

(12-08-2025, 12:10 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote:

(12-08-2025, 12:02 PM)Amy the Singer Wrote: Why are you focused on Dora's possible peek and ignoring Boris's almost guaranteed peek?

Dora was killed before the lynch. My understanding is the lynch marks the change from day to night. Seers peek at night so Dora wouldn't have had the chance to peek.
Based on that I think the only possible peek would have been Boris's

(12-08-2025, 01:45 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote:

(12-08-2025, 12:43 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: If we still have a gun I'd risk it and shoot Vincent.. their post progression is astounding for a newbie, so either they have picked everything up already. Or they are getting help structuring posts.

I'm going to take this as a compliment as those posts are all me.

Given that at the time of the posts the numbers were heavily in favour of the wolves, I can't imagine that a more experienced player would have encouraged me to lift my newbie head above the parapet. I'm sharing my thoughts to put them out there and hopefully help the village.

(12-08-2025, 06:09 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: I was caught in work this afternoon so catching up now. Will try to address mentions or questions around me now

(12-08-2025, 07:05 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: There's a couple of things that seem odd to me so I'll put them out there for consideration or response.

Dexter: I found it peculiar that when the game was 5 v 4 and Scar was killed that Dexter was advocating shooting me. Shooting a villager at that point would have brought the numbers to 4 v 4 which if my understanding of the win criteria is correct would have given victory immediately to the wolves.
The rationale given was post progression which seems flimsy enough to encourage that risk.

(12-08-2025, 12:43 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: If we still have a gun I'd risk it and shoot Vincent.. their post progression is astounding for a newbie, so either they have picked everything up already. Or they are getting help structuring posts.

Jacob: Having suggested that Dora peeked Amy despite it being against usual game mechanics I'm suprised that shortly after I asked for an explanation for that thinking and Jacob then dropped considering Amy.

(12-08-2025, 02:11 PM)Jacob the Tailor Wrote: Alright fair it's consensus so Ill drop the Amy affront. I want Lily to pop into the thread and give us her thoughts

Countess: Now that I know more about the game, I can't figure out why there was any ambiguity over Friar Tuck's village status.

(11-08-2025, 09:20 PM)Countess Markievicz Wrote: do we think friar was good? doesn't really make much difference anyway.

(12-08-2025, 07:22 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: @Raymond the Shoemaker  - if you could expand a bit on what you mean about my not reacting I'm more than happy to try to respond

(12-08-2025, 07:25 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote:

(12-08-2025, 07:23 PM)Countess Markievicz Wrote: good chance you're a wolf. you let that go way too easily

I said that I followed the logic not that I necessarily believed it. You were the first to come back of the 3 questionable things I raised it's only fair to see which thread needs more pulling before drawing a conclusion

(12-08-2025, 07:29 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote:

(12-08-2025, 07:14 PM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: What the hell is a soft role claim? Jacob has mentioned that twice now about me.

I join my fellow newbie in asking what is a soft role claim?

(12-08-2025, 07:34 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote:

(12-08-2025, 07:27 PM)Raymond the Shoemaker Wrote: You are addressing it now but not at the time when it happened, that's what's bothering me. If you didn't see it I'd understand that as an explanation. It just seems off to me.

It was posted at 12.43 and I responded at 1.45 when I had a chance at lunch time (see below). The reason suggested for shooting me was post progression and I addressed that in my response at that time. I've now moved to questioning why anyone would have waved a gun at anyone else at that point in the game.

(12-08-2025, 01:45 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: I'm going to take this as a compliment as those posts are all me.

Given that at the time of the posts the numbers were heavily in favour of the wolves, I can't imagine that a more experienced player would have encouraged me to lift my newbie head above the parapet. I'm sharing my thoughts to put them out there and hopefully help the village.

(12-08-2025, 08:37 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: @Jacob the Tailor If there's something I don't understand in the game or in individual's game play I'm asking. True I haven't thrown around names. I've not built a case solid enough to do that yet for how I'd like to play the game.

However, I do wonder when people don't respond. There's an opportunity to address my earlier point to you. The others I questioned at least came back with something. Until then my suspicion sits with you.

(12-08-2025, 07:05 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: Jacob: Having suggested that Dora peeked Amy despite it being against usual game mechanics I'm suprised that shortly after I asked for an explanation for that thinking and Jacob then dropped considering Amy.

(12-08-2025, 08:41 PM)Vincent the Artist Wrote: Numbers wise it's 5 v 2 now @Countess Markievicz

Why are you sowing confusion?

(12-08-2025, 08:06 PM)Lilly the Millennial Wrote:

(12-08-2025, 04:37 PM)Dexter the Dragoon Wrote: So far declared.

Amy the Singer - Raymond
Countess Markievicz - Raymond
Dexter the Dragoon - Raymond
Jacob the Tailor -
Lilly the Millennial -
Raymond the Shoemaker -
Vincent the Artist -
Zeena Warrior Princess

This is one post I can find with the declared votes, but can't say for sure that there weren't more afterwards.
me, Vincent and Zeena were all MIA on the thread at the time.

(12-08-2025, 08:17 PM)Lilly the Millennial Wrote: For me, cross referencing Moe's reads and last night's votes, it is currently between Countess and Jacob for me. 

I am not sure about bussing Raymond today because why would you bus the wolf with the power? 
You would bus Gaston. 

Saying that, did Jacob join the Raymond votes today officially? Countess did say they would vote that way but we don't know for sure. 

Countess is not reading the thread at all. I didn't like their comment to me "don't read I to it" when that's actually the game. Moe's wording for Connie was also quite interesting in their reads. Everyone was slightly village lean, unsure, fluffy etc. However with Connie, they gave quite specific reasons. Saying that though, I can rip up my wagonomics exercise now, because Ray was one of their team, so would Moe be likely to put 2 wolves in their FFA day one? 

Jacob I feel is deflecting questions a lot, was very quick to jump off Amy earlier when challenged on it and their reaction was very much "look over there". They were the first to put their vote on Oprah too on D1. 

My vote is Jacob.