Disney Classics Werewolf

[Lilly the Millennial]

Current tally

Countess 1 : Dexter

I'm between Vincent and Zeena

What's your reasoning?

[Amy the Singer]

On basis of wagonomics I'm probably going to go with CM. If it's not CM that means 2 on Oprah N1. The one major thing that disrupts wagonomics is that 2 kills were from Scar and as such, wolves couldn't organise votes around those outcomes.

Would Moe list 2 wolves on their D1 FFA?

Maybe if one of them peeks good.

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

Here we go another one dead!

[Countess Markievicz]

On basis of wagonomics I'm probably going to go with CM. If it's not CM that means 2 on Oprah N1. The one major thing that disrupts wagonomics is that 2 kills were from Scar and as such, wolves couldn't organise votes around those outcomes.

it would actually mean 3 on oprah night 1 unless you are a wolf.

[Countess Markievicz]

Here we go another one dead!

backroom slip?

[Dexter the Dragoon]

On basis of wagonomics I'm probably going to go with CM. If it's not CM that means 2 on Oprah N1. The one major thing that disrupts wagonomics is that 2 kills were from Scar and as such, wolves couldn't organise votes around those outcomes.

It would mean 3 votes on Oprah if you are green.. with 1 off wagon.. the scar kills are the reason why I think it's 2 on 2 off, they couldn't have known who was been hit, so their votes in their minds were safe

[Dexter the Dragoon]

Here we go another one dead!

backroom slip?

Ah stop  would ya😂

[Jacob the Tailor]

Countess 2 : Dexter and Amy
Jacob 1 : Lily

[Amy the Singer]

On basis of wagonomics I'm probably going to go with CM. If it's not CM that means 2 on Oprah N1. The one major thing that disrupts wagonomics is that 2 kills were from Scar and as such, wolves couldn't organise votes around those outcomes.

it would actually mean 3 on oprah night 1 unless you are a wolf.

I'm not. I was referring to those left alive but you make a good point. If you're not a wolf, 3 on Oprah N1 means that reading back around that vote run up is worth another look.

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

Countess when you said you were not a wolf but not an innocence either what does that mean?

[Necro]

Lynch in 30 minutes

[Jacob the Tailor]

Current tally

Countess 1 : Dexter

I'm between Vincent and Zeena

What's your reasoning?

Offering nothing, Zeena has been unhelpful the entire game and responding only to events /kills. Vincent, I've looked back and he's playing super coy, agreeing with people but offering no opinion of his own, newbies or not I think there's a wolf there.
You'd be third for me,Lily

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

Im trying my best, its not easy to get your head around.

Right I'll try this Amy mentioned her phone was dead as she was out, now that was just after the kill this evening. Now you would need your phone working to do a kill so could Amy be the killer of whoever was last killed and pretending her phone wasn't working?

[Vincent the Artist]

@Jacob the Tailor If there's something I don't understand in the game or in individual's game play I'm asking. True I haven't thrown around names. I've not built a case solid enough to do that yet for how I'd like to play the game.

However, I do wonder when people don't respond. There's an opportunity to address my earlier point to you. The others I questioned at least came back with something. Until then my suspicion sits with you.

Jacob: Having suggested that Dora peeked Amy despite it being against usual game mechanics I'm suprised that shortly after I asked for an explanation for that thinking and Jacob then dropped considering Amy.

Alright fair it's consensus so Ill drop the Amy affront. I want Lily to pop into the thread and give us her thoughts

[Lilly the Millennial]

Reading back over thread.

Thoughts so far. Most likely village, Dexter, Mc, Boris and Jacob.
Amy likely good now. Was forgettable to me, but her ISOs redeemed her in my eyes even if she doesn't like me. Seems to be genuinely wolf hunting.
Vincent and Zeena newbies so not in consideration for tonight but I don't think would be anyway.

Neutral on Friar and Dora.

Didn't like Oprah harassing a newbie, it's not fair to someone finding their feet. Not sure it's enough for me to vote there.

Lilly the whole chaos thing seemed a bit overblown. There was something else I noticed on read back I didn't like.

Gordon don't like. Seems overdramatic and a lot of hot air. I don't understand an experienced player talking about not declaring votes, this always helps with wagonomics, if declared votes don't match actual votes post lynch. I also thought they spent too long on this topic, just seemed like posting for no real benefit. Also the anti Boris tone seemed a bit strong on day one with nothing to go on.

Honestly right now Amy is my biggest red flag.

Much as I don't like Gordon's declare two votes plan, which completely contradicts his earlier  devils advocating of an ongoing tally of votes, I don't see a wolf being that noisy and drawing that much heat early on.

Earlier I thought Amy had done detailed ISOs of Lilly and me to support us as top two suspect but that was actually Dexter and she just stated she had done an ISO and we were top two. Now several hours later she is taking notes when she said approx half three she would be home in an hour to post her ISOs she'd already done. Added to that she was very quick to jump on Gordon's frankly terrible two votes declaration which only benefits wolves. It's not a good look.

Wasn't a fan of Oprah's posts towards Xeena but not enough to vote there. The more they post the more I don't like it. Very defensive, saying people who posted before them are parroting them is ridiculous. Don't see much attempt at wolf hunting.

Lilly still towards the top of my suspicions also. Conflicted as to whether they were putting pressure or role hunting, although same could be said of me.

There's a few floating middle people not making much of an impression, which worries me a bit. Friar, Moe, Countess.

Good for me are Boris, Mc and Jacob.

@Dexter the Dragoon not much to go on with either of those, but I agree with not discounting them. What stands out the most to me is is the Vincent quote about the strike rate.

Also in the low posters is Moe, who I keep nearly forgetting about.

OK this is a mindfuck. So Mc was faking it, which means Jacob is not clear anymore.

Focusing on the Wolves (4) now, do we see all 4 of them on that top wagon? I can't see it personally myself.



I think that the wolves weren't expecting Dora and Gordon to be killed by Scar, so were possibly feeling comfortable with 2 on the top and 2 elsewhere.. I think there is definitely at least 1 in Raymond, Amy and Countess. Personally think there could be 2. And that's where the focus should be today.

Anyone any thoughts on this?

I mean if Amy is a wolf than that clears me and vice versa. Countess for me has more of a question mark, playing up not knowing what is going on, first with Friar and second with the Mc/Jacob thing which was not discreet. Feel a bit better about Lily knowing Mc was faking it. Thought the questioning her last night indicated he knew something.
Also should look at voters moving off Amy to Oprah, could have been a safe way to avoid heat, hide in the crowds. We're all ignoring Moe who is doing sweet fuck all as well which worries me.

At the possibility of becoming a target, the veto on shooting me by mc was not him clearing me. I didn't think it was for a second, he said himself was just talk.

Well I took it as a clear. He was intimating he had some indication of your lean and that it was good. We now know he was bluffing so for me you were out of the frame but are now back in the frame.

raymond is where my vote is at. i know he will say he missed this question but i think he is unsure how to answer it so just ignored it hoping i would forget

That's a bullshit question, why would I respond to that. I love how you've flipped from best chance of a wolf is amongst the Oprah voters to going outside those voters when you see the best chance of railroading a villager.

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OK this is great news. We have a bit more hope now, especially if we flip a wolf at lynch. Confirms we had at least one low lying wolf. Called out Countess fairly strongly last post, don't know if that's good for Countess or seeking to distance?

OK finally caught up.

Dexter: big claim of core village, no counterclaim so will believe for now. This is good as the Vincent shooting thing was mighty flippant when it was 5 vs 4, gave me a big pause.

Countess. I still think they are playing the Fool and floating along. Not knowing Elsa was village, not noticing the Jacob/Mc clear, now rowing in behind Amy and Dexter voting for me on a spurious basis right after saying best odds on finding a wolf were in the Oprah voters.

Jake to me is either Hans or village based on the McDonald clear, I think the wolves would have known Mc Donald was bluffing if another wolf  bar Hans was cleared. But then they would they not have munched Mc if Jacob was Hans? don't find their posts particularly helpful and there was some misattributing of votes at tally last night. Not really sure about Jake

Xeena: I know she is new but that's all she says. Asks what's going on and what is happening. Not posting much and there doesn't seem to be any eagerness to wolf hunt.

Vincent. Very similar to Xeena. Not posting much. Not trying to figure things out. The is village good question seemed in stark contrast to assessing the hit rate of dead rolled posters vs NRVs. Scrupulously polite, as if not trying to make waves.

Lilly: Dunno. I wasn't keen on them yesterday, in large part due to the Mc power thief thing. When mc turned out to be scar didn't have as much misgivings about Lily, but they have been quite absent today which is giving me pause.

Amy: that's were I voted yesterday and I have stated my reasons, and they are still valid. The posting last night reassured me more and they are very active again today which is good. I don't like pushing the narrative that Boris peeked me and was hinting I was bad. I know he couldn't have done that as I'm village. His posts were questioning my reasons for voting on Amy, and at one point suggested I was confused. I'm wondering based on his querying of the Mc move, that he was wolf or village but not scar, and that since Dora was good that I should be looked at, whether he peeked Amy who showed as good, so Amy either village or Hans.

I will say Amy and Countess seemed most bummed about the 5 vs 4 situation earlier. Dexter seemed quite energised which bothers me, but role claim is a role claim.

Village to wolf

Village Dexter, me

Middle Amy, Jake, Lilly

Wolfiest Countess, Vincent, Xeena.

Not sure what way to vote.

Personally I would discount Zeena from being a wolf myself as they seem genuinely confused by what's going on. To just use that and offer no help in a backroom to them wouldn't be in the spirit of the game for me anyways. Not sure what others think but FG has a genuine welcoming community so can't see it happening.

I get what you're saying but I can't fully agree regarding Xeena and Vincent. It's tricky because newbies can be genuinely confused but they could also be yucking it up in a backroom, being told how to play things.
I've put in a vote for Countess as I don't get a genuinr impression they are wolf hunting but I'm still very conflicted, particularly about Vincent not reacting to the gun pointing talk. Genuinely not certain how to take it.

These are Ray's posts that mention Connie/Jacob. 
I find it very interesting they were very quick to clear Jacob so early in the game. They have done a turn on this but I don't follow what they are saying re: Jacob being Hans

[Countess Markievicz]

i'll prob be lynched tonight which is fine.

7 vs 2 now
6 vs 2 after me
5 vs 2 in the morning

you're looking at 2 wolves in jacob, zeena, lilly and vincent.

but dont forget amy.

[Vincent the Artist]

Numbers wise it's 5 v 2 now @Countess Markievicz

Why are you sowing confusion?

[Countess Markievicz]

Countess when you said you were not a wolf but not an innocence either what does that mean?

twas about not clearing me based on what moe said.

[Countess Markievicz]

Numbers wise it's 5 v 2 now @Countess Markievicz

Why are you sowing confusion?

crap! not helping my case here 

5 vs 2
4 vs 2 after me
3 vs 2 in the morn unless hercules steps up

[Lilly the Millennial]

What's your reasoning?

Offering nothing, Zeena has been unhelpful the entire game and responding only to events /kills. Vincent, I've looked back and he's playing super coy, agreeing with people but offering no opinion of his own, newbies or not I think there's a wolf there.
You'd be third for me,Lily

Given you are 1 for me, that's fair.
I think we were all new players once, and unless players ask you directly questions, it can be very hard to get involved in the thread, especially when it moves quickly.
Us the experienced players need to be asking them directly questions and judging on that rather than just criticising they are only responding to events/kills. 
There might be a wolf there true, but in my eyes, right now you are more likely.

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

Im looking at going Amy or Countess.

[Countess Markievicz]

i've gone vincent

[Lilly the Millennial]

Numbers wise it's 5 v 2 now @Countess Markievicz

Why are you sowing confusion?

crap! not helping my case here 

5 vs 2
4 vs 2 after me
3 vs 2 in the morn unless hercules steps up

I'm almost beginning to think that Connie is trying to draw the vote onto themselves right now

[Dexter the Dragoon]

On basis of wagonomics I'm probably going to go with CM. If it's not CM that means 2 on Oprah N1. The one major thing that disrupts wagonomics is that 2 kills were from Scar and as such, wolves couldn't organise votes around those outcomes.

Would Moe list 2 wolves on their D1 FFA?

Day one I would say yes as there is minimal information at the time and they can explain away if taking them off.

[Jacob the Tailor]

Countess 3: Dexter Amy Me
Jacob 2: Vincent Lilly

I will self pres and go for Countess if needs be

For now I'm countess but let the record state I want Vincent, Zeena Lilly there a wolf if not two in there

[Countess Markievicz]

crap! not helping my case here 

5 vs 2
4 vs 2 after me
3 vs 2 in the morn unless hercules steps up

I'm almost beginning to think that Connie is trying to draw the vote onto themselves right now

so you think i'm gaston i presume.

[Jacob the Tailor]

crap! not helping my case here 

5 vs 2
4 vs 2 after me
3 vs 2 in the morn unless hercules steps up

I'm almost beginning to think that Connie is trying to draw the vote onto themselves right now

Why?

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

Amy or anyone else hasn't responded to what I said about Amy?

[Jacob the Tailor]

Can people confirm their vote asap please

[Amy the Singer]

Countess 3: Dexter Amy Me
Jacob 2: Vincent Lilly

I will self pres and go for Countess if needs be

For now I'm countess but let the record state I want Vincent, Zeena Lilly there a wolf if not two in there

You've said you're already there, what do you mean self pres?

[Dexter the Dragoon]

crap! not helping my case here 

5 vs 2
4 vs 2 after me
3 vs 2 in the morn unless hercules steps up

I'm almost beginning to think that Connie is trying to draw the vote onto themselves right now

Let them 👍

[Jacob the Tailor]

Countess 3: Dexter Amy Me
Jacob 2: Vincent Lilly

I will self pres and go for Countess if needs be

For now I'm countess but let the record state I want Vincent, Zeena Lilly there a wolf if not two in there

You've said you're already there, what do you mean self pres?

I don't have countess as a wolf, but I will vote her to save myself. Self preservation. Vincent and Lilly are voting me

[Countess Markievicz]

Can people confirm their vote asap please

vincent

[Amy the Singer]

Amy or anyone else hasn't responded to what I said about Amy?

If this is about the possibility that I shot Raymond, it's best not to speculate on who did it as they are working for the village.

[Amy the Singer]

Confirm I'm on CM

[Necro]

10 minutes to vote!!

[Dexter the Dragoon]

I'm on CM and will be forever 😂

[Amy the Singer]

Also, just in case, Lilly referring to CM as Connie is ringing alarm bells but I could well be down a tunnel there.

[Countess Markievicz]

for reference after i'm strung up

[Jacob the Tailor]

Confirm I'm on CM

Can you do me the greatest of favours and vote for CM now again, I've just voted for her to self pres but if they are Gaston I'm goosed