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[Jacob the Tailor]

Also if she's a newbie as she claims, I don't think they would soft role claim. Her posts are saying she doesn't understand what's going on most of the time

[Dexter the Dragoon]

In saying that I personally think that the wolves weren't expecting the hits from Scar to have such an impact on the wagonomics.. I still think there was 2 wolves on Oprah and 2 off wagon.. that leaves two in Ray Amy and Countess..

For what it's worth, to back up my claim.

So, maybe we can open up a discussion a bit. There may not be a gun floating around today anyways so maybe talking about shooting isn't the way to go. Right, so at this point in time who would you vote for if a lynch was happening ASAP. Oprah for me at this point. Not going to explain again as it's only a few posts back. Great if you have someone, but understanding if you don't at the mo.

Take the first letter of each sentence to form a word associated with my character

[Dexter the Dragoon]

Had a look there, think I know what you are seeing yeah.. definitely want to hear from @Zeena Warrior Princess

I've had a look a zeena and I don't see what ye are seeing

Two posts with God Almighty in them.....

[Vincent the Artist]

Vincent. Very similar to Xeena. Not posting much. Not trying to figure things out. The is village good question seemed in stark contrast to assessing the hit rate of dead rolled posters vs NRVs. Scrupulously polite, as if not trying to make waves.

I accept I'm a lower poster but I'm trying to get up to speed and engage. I've questioned a few things and tried to tease through a few others. The counting of roled vs NRVs didn't require any detailed understanding it was a quick tally based on provided information.

I asked about village being good because my initial thought was that village in the role meant Friar Tuck was good but then subsequently other posters raised a question over it so as a new player it was better for me to clarify that.

do we think friar was good? doesn't really make much difference anyway.

[Jacob the Tailor]

I've had a look a zeena and I don't see what ye are seeing

Two posts with God Almighty in them.....

Weak imo @Zeena Warrior Princess where you at?

[Dexter the Dragoon]

@Lilly the Millennial I wasn't going to shoot anyone, I dont have a gun, just some muscles

That post was to semi serious, I think at that point with the numbers, the village needed to take a risk of some sort. Because we would have been fucked otherwise. It was also to see what Vincent said, and he hasn't really acknowledged it at all. 

CM
Ray
Amy
Vincent 

I think our 3 are in those 4.. I could be wrong, I don't have a great record 😂

[Lilly the Millennial]

Yeah that was me that put forward Jacob as a shot target this morning

Morning folks,  early start for me as you can see! In the office today so might not get on quite as much but will do my best

Thats about as rough a monday as i can remember, im not even sure where to start today. 6v4v1 now with a munch to come shortly. Goes without saying we need to hit a wolf today and hope for some crossfire between scar and the wolves

Were you convinced Oprah was a wolf though? You said you were between Oprah and countess yesterday

Why did you think someone having a vote blocked could clear them as a wolf?

Can you explain how you went from Oprah is a cop out vote, to voting Oprah within 30 mins?

I could be wrong but I think those vote blocking powers need to be activated early,  so the person doing it may have had to choose a name by a certain time yesterday

One thing I would say is that I don't think Mcdonald is scar..  they moved their vote late off a counter wagon.  If scar they don't know who Oprah is and is risking being killed by last vote on gaston

That leaves dora cleared on the amy counter wagon, alongside Raymond, who is not

@Raymond the Shoemaker west was your reason for voting amy?

What was your reason i meant

Yeah thats why I said I dont think Mcdonald is scar.  They could be a wolf or village but I don't think scar

The main wagon ended up large but at one stage it was relatively close.. if dora was still alive id probably be between the two of ye but I think you're as good a starting point as any 😂

I dont really understand your reasoning for voting amy, it just reads as very confusing to me

Ill check back if I have time but it just seems like you got confused and used it as a reason to vote amy

Id agree amy wasn't very helpful yesterday but their posts last night were a little better so im happy to hear them out today rather than rush to vote their

If I had to guess id say scar is probably in the Oprah wagon somewhere

Yeah id agree she was a good candidate based on her posts but I don't think id have gone so far to say i was convinced,  especially on d1 nothing is set in stone

I dont agree that lily sprung into action last night.. I had a fair bit of back and forth with them during the day

They were on my ffa but I did like some of the fight they put up when I questioned them yesterday, so im unsure there tbh

Yeah i sure did, hence why I said they were a good candidate for the lynch.. was i convinced? No

I said it at some stage yesterday,  if Oprah survived yesterday and had they same type of gameplay today, id just be voting there today anyway

All of Boris's posts from the time of Aladdin being announced as seer. Think he may have peeked either Ray or Lilly.

@Lilly the Millennial I didn't insinuate anything about you being a wolf. In fact if you had read up to date you'd see that I actually said that Boris soft cleared you.

This is where I felt you were insinuating I was peeked bad due to back and forth. 

My thoughts above were mostly in chronological order, and addressing posts I felt needed to be addressed as I went. I wanted to highlight that Boris said he was unsure about me just in case. However on reading back, I see you don't outright say I was wolf here. 

My head hurts after that read back tbqh. I came on and saw 5 new pages of posts.

[Dexter the Dragoon]

Reading those posts from Boris there is no way to really know or even guess that Lily or Ray were peeked.. it's all how it's interpreted by the individual. Like I could say that the below post indicates that they peeled Amy as good, but because Hans is still in play they want to hear more from them

I dont really understand your reasoning for voting amy, it just reads as very confusing to me

Ill check back if I have time but it just seems like you got confused and used it as a reason to vote amy

Id agree amy wasn't very helpful yesterday but their posts last night were a little better so im happy to hear them out today rather than rush to vote their

I think it's a wasted exercise trying to guess a peek there as there is many different posts that could be better highlighted as a peek.

Better off to use your own analysis at this point

[Necro]

Reminder: Lynch at 9pm

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

Well it's all happening now, I was in work so how do you expect me to log on then.

Im not a wolf, I dont remember who asked but people were saying that myself or Vincent might be as both newbies.

Maybe you all picked it up really easy but its very hard to figure out who is meant to be bad or good and then it feels like every 5 secs another person is killed and not by the nightly lynch.

I dont get how I'm meant to work out who is who.

If can't work it out this evening after reading the posts, I was just going to go with the majority and who you all wanted us to vote for because you all understand the game.

[Dexter the Dragoon]

For what it's worth the chances of both newbies being randed as bad is 9.5% 😂 lower again if it's both as wolves. Stranger things have happened though I suppose 😂

[Jacob the Tailor]

Well it's all happening now, I was in work so how do you expect me to log on then.

Im not a wolf, I dont remember who asked but people were saying that myself or Vincent might be as both newbies.

Maybe you all picked it up really easy but its very hard to figure out who is meant to be bad or good and then it feels like every 5 secs another person is killed and not by the nightly lynch.

I dont get how I'm meant to work out who is who.

If can't work it out this evening after reading the posts, I  was just going to go with the majority and who you all wanted us to vote for because you all understand the game.

Super unhelpful. Did you soft role claim?

[Countess Markievicz]

I'm glad to see I was missed. With my job, I rarely get time to be looking at this thread during the day - and maybe that's not fair on the game, but I try to contribute when I can outside work hours. Unfortunately, today I was offsite and not desk based, so no opportunity to check in at all, even on lunch. 

I think I have caught up on the thread as best I can. 
Re: mod kill, glad it worked in favour of the village, because before this I was screaming at Dexter not to shoot Vincent, it was too risky. 

There are posts I noted down as I read through, but I'm not going to quote them as I go.

Firstly, Boris could surely have gotten a peek if it's a night time action. However, in post 626, @Amy the Singer says "Boris possibly peeked Ray or Lilly" and insinuates that I am a wolf as a result. However, Boris' exact words on me were "So I'm unsure there tbh." 
Raymond is a possibility for a peek based on his posting. 

However, going back to post 613, I did find Amy saying "if your evidence of her having a peek is her voting me then no she didn't have one". This I felt was a bit suss as it would surely be something Hans would say. A good peek cannot be trusted! 

Post 657 @Countess Markievicz has me crossed off the list as someone who is dead, mind telling me why? 

@Zeena Warrior Princess#673 you say I am not a wolf but I know you have to ask. Who was asking? This feels a bit like posting for posting sake. 

@Vincent the Artist help a girl out please. I liked your post 708 however it would be helpful if you had names alongside your hard work. I know this is because I'm playing catch-up but who do you think is likely wolf? 

Finally all the latest notes I have are on 
@Jacob the Tailor

On relation to Moe's votes, I thought you were very eager to clear people based on Moe's posts. Wolves have been known to bus other wolves very easily so I wouldn't be as eager as you. Saying that would Moe put a wolf on their FFA day one? This would surely be highly unlikely? From the remaining mentions, Friar and Dora were village and Mc Scar, leaving a possible wolf in Lilly, Vincent, Zeena, Dexter and Amy. 
Missing from Moe's list is Raymond I think. 
I would like to take time this eve to cross check this with the votes from last night. 

Finally @Jacob the Tailor
703 - 704, you call me out , saying it's all fluff and telling people not very village. But you don't provide any evidence of this. 
Post 715, I felt when you were questioned on the Amy peek thing, you were very quick to drop that and deflected quickly to "look at Lilly!". Again, in post 734, it was deflection instead of answering the questions posed. 

Based on all the above, I don't know where I am voting just yet. I read back on Zeena's posts and I don't see any crumbs, but I am useless at spotting them (however Dexter was very obvious). I am quite interested to see what they have to say when they do post. 

Right now, my village lean is Dexter. 

Unsure
Constance
Vincent

Possible wolves in no particular order:
Raymond
Amy
Jacob
Zeena

I'm going now to cook some dinner and I'll be back online in around an hour or so.

was meant to be mcdonald. dont read too much into it

[Dexter the Dragoon]

Personally I would discount Zeena from being a wolf myself as they seem genuinely confused by what's going on. To just use that and offer no help in a backroom to them wouldn't be in the spirit of the game for me anyways. Not sure what others think but FG has a genuine welcoming community so can't see it happening.

[Vincent the Artist]

There's a couple of things that seem odd to me so I'll put them out there for consideration or response.

Dexter: I found it peculiar that when the game was 5 v 4 and Scar was killed that Dexter was advocating shooting me. Shooting a villager at that point would have brought the numbers to 4 v 4 which if my understanding of the win criteria is correct would have given victory immediately to the wolves.
The rationale given was post progression which seems flimsy enough to encourage that risk.

If we still have a gun I'd risk it and shoot Vincent.. their post progression is astounding for a newbie, so either they have picked everything up already. Or they are getting help structuring posts.

Jacob: Having suggested that Dora peeked Amy despite it being against usual game mechanics I'm suprised that shortly after I asked for an explanation for that thinking and Jacob then dropped considering Amy.

Alright fair it's consensus so Ill drop the Amy affront. I want Lily to pop into the thread and give us her thoughts

Countess: Now that I know more about the game, I can't figure out why there was any ambiguity over Friar Tuck's village status.

do we think friar was good? doesn't really make much difference anyway.

[Countess Markievicz]

3 wolves here.
jacob, zeena, lilly, vincent
raymond, amy, countess

Dexter the Dragoon 164
Boris the Fool 101
Jacob the Tailor 81
Amy the Singer 76
Raymond the Shoemaker 62
Countess Markievicz 55
Lilly the Millennial 42
McDonald the Farmer 40
Gordon the Cook 31
Oprah the Gossip 28
Dora the Explorer 20
Necro 20
Vincent the Artist 19
Moe the Innkeeper 16
Zeena Warrior Princess 13
Friar Tuck 7

[Vincent the Artist]

3 wolves here.
jacob, zeena, lilly, vincent
raymond, amy, countess

Dexter the Dragoon 164
Boris the Fool 101
Jacob the Tailor 81
Amy the Singer 76
Raymond the Shoemaker 62
Countess Markievicz 55
Lilly the Millennial 42
McDonald the Farmer 40
Gordon the Cook 31
Oprah the Gossip 28
Dora the Explorer 20
Necro 20
Vincent the Artist 19
Moe the Innkeeper 16
Zeena Warrior Princess 13
Friar Tuck 7

From this post are we to take it that you think that you're more likely to be a wolf than Dexter because of the 8 remaining players only 7 are listed...

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

What the hell is a soft role claim? Jacob has mentioned that twice now about me.

[Countess Markievicz]

@Vincent the Artist re your post above: Countess: Now that I know more about the game, I can't figure out why there was any ambiguity over Friar Tuck's village status.

do we think friar was good? doesn't really make much difference anyway.


seeing as everyone has called this out, do you think i was intentionally trying to be underhanded here?

from my POV, it was because friar was not named as NRV or as one of the rolled villagers per OP. cant remember for sure, but i presume i forgot about the other rolled not named.

[Dexter the Dragoon]

There's a couple of things that seem odd to me so I'll put them out there for consideration or response.

Dexter: I found it peculiar that when the game was 5 v 4 and Scar was killed that Dexter was advocating shooting me. Shooting a villager at that point would have brought the numbers to 4 v 4 which if my understanding of the win criteria is correct would have given victory immediately to the wolves.
The rationale given was post progression which seems flimsy enough to encourage that risk.

If we still have a gun I'd risk it and shoot Vincent.. their post progression is astounding for a newbie, so either they have picked everything up already. Or they are getting help structuring posts.

Jacob: Having suggested that Dora peeked Amy despite it being against usual game mechanics I'm suprised that shortly after I asked for an explanation for that thinking and Jacob then dropped considering Amy.

Alright fair it's consensus so Ill drop the Amy affront. I want Lily to pop into the thread and give us her thoughts

Countess: Now that I know more about the game, I can't figure out why there was any ambiguity over Friar Tuck's village status.

do we think friar was good? doesn't really make much difference anyway.

Tis a good thing I don't have a gun then isn't it 😜

[Countess Markievicz]

3 wolves here.
jacob, zeena, lilly, vincent
raymond, amy, countess

Dexter the Dragoon 164
Boris the Fool 101
Jacob the Tailor 81
Amy the Singer 76
Raymond the Shoemaker 62
Countess Markievicz 55
Lilly the Millennial 42
McDonald the Farmer 40
Gordon the Cook 31
Oprah the Gossip 28
Dora the Explorer 20
Necro 20
Vincent the Artist 19
Moe the Innkeeper 16
Zeena Warrior Princess 13
Friar Tuck 7

From this post are we to take it that you think that you're more likely to be a wolf than Dexter because of the 8 remaining players only 7 are listed...

dexter is village

[Vincent the Artist]

Appreciate the response @Countess Markievicz. I can follow the logic you've set out

[Raymond the Shoemaker]

Personally I would discount Zeena from being a wolf myself as they seem genuinely confused by what's going on. To just use that and offer no help in a backroom to them wouldn't be in the spirit of the game for me anyways. Not sure what others think but FG has a genuine welcoming community so can't see it happening.

I get what you're saying but I can't fully agree regarding Xeena and Vincent. It's tricky because newbies can be genuinely confused but they could also be yucking it up in a backroom, being told how to play things.
I've put in a vote for Countess as I don't get a genuinr impression they are wolf hunting but I'm still very conflicted, particularly about Vincent not reacting to the gun pointing talk. Genuinely not certain how to take it.

[Lilly the Millennial]

I'm glad to see I was missed. With my job, I rarely get time to be looking at this thread during the day - and maybe that's not fair on the game, but I try to contribute when I can outside work hours. Unfortunately, today I was offsite and not desk based, so no opportunity to check in at all, even on lunch. 

I think I have caught up on the thread as best I can. 
Re: mod kill, glad it worked in favour of the village, because before this I was screaming at Dexter not to shoot Vincent, it was too risky. 

There are posts I noted down as I read through, but I'm not going to quote them as I go.

Firstly, Boris could surely have gotten a peek if it's a night time action. However, in post 626, @Amy the Singer says "Boris possibly peeked Ray or Lilly" and insinuates that I am a wolf as a result. However, Boris' exact words on me were "So I'm unsure there tbh." 
Raymond is a possibility for a peek based on his posting. 

However, going back to post 613, I did find Amy saying "if your evidence of her having a peek is her voting me then no she didn't have one". This I felt was a bit suss as it would surely be something Hans would say. A good peek cannot be trusted! 

Post 657 @Countess Markievicz has me crossed off the list as someone who is dead, mind telling me why? 

@Zeena Warrior Princess#673 you say I am not a wolf but I know you have to ask. Who was asking? This feels a bit like posting for posting sake. 

@Vincent the Artist help a girl out please. I liked your post 708 however it would be helpful if you had names alongside your hard work. I know this is because I'm playing catch-up but who do you think is likely wolf? 

Finally all the latest notes I have are on 
@Jacob the Tailor

On relation to Moe's votes, I thought you were very eager to clear people based on Moe's posts. Wolves have been known to bus other wolves very easily so I wouldn't be as eager as you. Saying that would Moe put a wolf on their FFA day one? This would surely be highly unlikely? From the remaining mentions, Friar and Dora were village and Mc Scar, leaving a possible wolf in Lilly, Vincent, Zeena, Dexter and Amy. 
Missing from Moe's list is Raymond I think. 
I would like to take time this eve to cross check this with the votes from last night. 

Finally @Jacob the Tailor
703 - 704, you call me out , saying it's all fluff and telling people not very village. But you don't provide any evidence of this. 
Post 715, I felt when you were questioned on the Amy peek thing, you were very quick to drop that and deflected quickly to "look at Lilly!". Again, in post 734, it was deflection instead of answering the questions posed. 

Based on all the above, I don't know where I am voting just yet. I read back on Zeena's posts and I don't see any crumbs, but I am useless at spotting them (however Dexter was very obvious). I am quite interested to see what they have to say when they do post. 

Right now, my village lean is Dexter. 

Unsure
Constance
Vincent

Possible wolves in no particular order:
Raymond
Amy
Jacob
Zeena

I'm going now to cook some dinner and I'll be back online in around an hour or so.

was meant to be mcdonald. dont read too much into it

Is that not the point of the game? Reading into everything?

[Vincent the Artist]

Tis a good thing I don't have a gun then isn't it 😜

Seems I'll have to be grateful for that

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

i'd say moe has 1 actual wolf in his wolfy leans, and the 2 others in his village leans.

Ok so I'll try to take part, its quotes like the above that leave me totally confused. Like what is that even meant to mean? Is it a hint about who are wolves?

[Raymond the Shoemaker]

@Vincent the Artist re your post above: Countess: Now that I know more about the game, I can't figure out why there was any ambiguity over Friar Tuck's village status.

do we think friar was good? doesn't really make much difference anyway.


seeing as everyone has called this out, do you think i was intentionally trying to be underhanded here?

from my POV, it was because friar was not named as NRV or as one of the rolled villagers per OP. cant remember for sure, but i presume i forgot about the other rolled not named.

That's the whole point. You wondered whether someone called Elsa the Village frostbinder was good? Smacks of phoning it in and pretending to be trying to figure out what's happening. Tell tale sign of a wolf, being that disengaged.

[Vincent the Artist]

@Raymond the Shoemaker - if you could expand a bit on what you mean about my not reacting I'm more than happy to try to respond

[Countess Markievicz]

Appreciate the response @Countess Markievicz. I can follow the logic you've set out

good chance you're a wolf. you let that go way too easily

[Countess Markievicz]

@Vincent the Artist re your post above: Countess: Now that I know more about the game, I can't figure out why there was any ambiguity over Friar Tuck's village status.

do we think friar was good? doesn't really make much difference anyway.


seeing as everyone has called this out, do you think i was intentionally trying to be underhanded here?

from my POV, it was because friar was not named as NRV or as one of the rolled villagers per OP. cant remember for sure, but i presume i forgot about the other rolled not named.

That's the whole point. You wondered whether someone called Elsa the Village frostbinder was good? Smacks of phoning it in and pretending to be trying to figure out what's happening. Tell tale sign of a wolf, being that disengaged.

not really. i find wolves rarely make mistakes cos they are way more concerned about what they post.

[Vincent the Artist]

Appreciate the response @Countess Markievicz. I can follow the logic you've set out

good chance you're a wolf. you let that go way too easily

I said that I followed the logic not that I necessarily believed it. You were the first to come back of the 3 questionable things I raised it's only fair to see which thread needs more pulling before drawing a conclusion

[Raymond the Shoemaker]

@Raymond the Shoemaker  - if you could expand a bit on what you mean about my not reacting I'm more than happy to try to respond

You are addressing it now but not at the time when it happened, that's what's bothering me. If you didn't see it I'd understand that as an explanation. It just seems off to me.

[Vincent the Artist]

What the hell is a soft role claim? Jacob has mentioned that twice now about me.

I join my fellow newbie in asking what is a soft role claim?

[Countess Markievicz]

i'd say moe has 1 actual wolf in his wolfy leans, and the 2 others in his village leans.

Ok so I'll try to take part, its quotes like the above that leave me totally confused. Like what is that even meant to mean? Is it a hint about who are wolves?

moe was a wolf.

he gave reads on all remaining players, who he thought was village/wolf.

i speculated that 1 of the 3 he said is wolfy, is actually a wolf. the other wolves would be included in his village leans.

[Countess Markievicz]

it turns out 2 of the 3 are dead, and the other is dexter

[Jacob the Tailor]

What do we know about Jafars fireball? My head is so fired I can't remember if it's daily use

[Vincent the Artist]

@Raymond the Shoemaker  - if you could expand a bit on what you mean about my not reacting I'm more than happy to try to respond

You are addressing it now but not at the time when it happened, that's what's bothering me. If you didn't see it I'd understand that as an explanation. It just seems off to me.

It was posted at 12.43 and I responded at 1.45 when I had a chance at lunch time (see below). The reason suggested for shooting me was post progression and I addressed that in my response at that time. I've now moved to questioning why anyone would have waved a gun at anyone else at that point in the game.

If we still have a gun I'd risk it and shoot Vincent.. their post progression is astounding for a newbie, so either they have picked everything up already. Or they are getting help structuring posts.

I'm going to take this as a compliment as those posts are all me.

Given that at the time of the posts the numbers were heavily in favour of the wolves, I can't imagine that a more experienced player would have encouraged me to lift my newbie head above the parapet. I'm sharing my thoughts to put them out there and hopefully help the village.

[Dexter the Dragoon]

What the hell is a soft role claim? Jacob has mentioned that twice now about me.

I join my fellow newbie in asking what is a soft role claim?

When you post something that eludes to your character, without actually saying it.. I posted a Hercules quote at Amy

[Countess Markievicz]

What do we know about Jafars fireball? My head is so fired I can't remember if it's daily use

he killed scar with it today. remains to be seen if he can use it again. or if 1 and done, and move to his next power 



Jafar is one of the greatest and most villainous sorcerers in the land. His powers will be deadly, ruthless, and are numerous. Aladdin should steer clear of his fireball…

[Dexter the Dragoon]

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