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[Jacob the Tailor]

OK this is a mindfuck. So Mc was faking it, which means Jacob is not clear anymore.

I was never clear, him saying he veto my vote is just that, him saying it.

Veto someone killing me* I meant

[Countess Markievicz]

5 v 4. Lylo of a Tuesday

i'd bet the genie has a few tricks left

[Dexter the Dragoon]

Focusing on the Wolves (4) now, do we see all 4 of them on that top wagon? I can't see it personally myself.

   

I think that the wolves weren't expecting Dora and Gordon to be killed by Scar, so were possibly feeling comfortable with 2 on the top and 2 elsewhere.. I think there is definitely at least 1 in Raymond, Amy and Countess. Personally think there could be 2. And that's where the focus should be today.

Anyone any thoughts on this?

[Raymond the Shoemaker]

OK this is a mindfuck. So Mc was faking it, which means Jacob is not clear anymore.

faking what? forgive me for not keeping up

He faked some kind of seer role, hinting to being Aladdin. Called out Lily for questioning him for knowing about power thief and me for asking why he had vetoed shooting Jacob. He cleared himself and Jacob.

[Amy the Singer]

Anyone want to own up to blocking Dexter?

[Dexter the Dragoon]

Focusing on the Wolves (4) now, do we see all 4 of them on that top wagon? I can't see it personally myself.



I think that the wolves weren't expecting Dora and Gordon to be killed by Scar, so were possibly feeling comfortable with 2 on the top and 2 elsewhere.. I think there is definitely at least 1 in Raymond, Amy and Countess. Personally think there could be 2. And that's where the focus should be today.

Anyone any thoughts on this?

That would then leave 2 (or 3) from

Dexter
Jacob
Moe
Zeena
Lilly
Vincent

[Raymond the Shoemaker]

Focusing on the Wolves (4) now, do we see all 4 of them on that top wagon? I can't see it personally myself.



I think that the wolves weren't expecting Dora and Gordon to be killed by Scar, so were possibly feeling comfortable with 2 on the top and 2 elsewhere.. I think there is definitely at least 1 in Raymond, Amy and Countess. Personally think there could be 2. And that's where the focus should be today.

Anyone any thoughts on this?

I mean if Amy is a wolf than that clears me and vice versa. Countess for me has more of a question mark, playing up not knowing what is going on, first with Friar and second with the Mc/Jacob thing which was not discreet. Feel a bit better about Lily knowing Mc was faking it. Thought the questioning her last night indicated he knew something.
Also should look at voters moving off Amy to Oprah, could have been a safe way to avoid heat, hide in the crowds. We're all ignoring Moe who is doing sweet fuck all as well which worries me.

[Countess Markievicz]

Focusing on the Wolves (4) now, do we see all 4 of them on that top wagon? I can't see it personally myself.



I think that the wolves weren't expecting Dora and Gordon to be killed by Scar, so were possibly feeling comfortable with 2 on the top and 2 elsewhere.. I think there is definitely at least 1 in Raymond, Amy and Countess. Personally think there could be 2. And that's where the focus should be today.

Anyone any thoughts on this?

how would you say the wolves spread their votes?

[Dexter the Dragoon]

I mean if Amy is a wolf than that clears me and vice versa. Countess for me has more of a question mark, playing up not knowing what is going on, first with Friar and second with the Mc/Jacob thing which was not discreet. Feel a bit better about Lily knowing Mc was faking it. Thought the questioning her last night indicated he knew something.
Also should look at voters moving off Amy to Oprah, could have been a safe way to avoid heat, hide in the crowds. We're all ignoring Moe who is doing sweet fuck all as well which worries me.

Expand on this...

With the numbers we need to focus on catching a wolf today and analytically the best bet is in those three posters

[Dexter the Dragoon]

Focusing on the Wolves (4) now, do we see all 4 of them on that top wagon? I can't see it personally myself.



I think that the wolves weren't expecting Dora and Gordon to be killed by Scar, so were possibly feeling comfortable with 2 on the top and 2 elsewhere.. I think there is definitely at least 1 in Raymond, Amy and Countess. Personally think there could be 2. And that's where the focus should be today.

Anyone any thoughts on this?

how would you say the wolves spread their votes?

It's literally in the post you quoted 😂

[Jacob the Tailor]

Do we know if Dora had a peek first night? I'm reading back and she goes onto Amy kinda out of the blue.

[Countess Markievicz]

Anyone want to own up to blocking Dexter?

that thank is not me claiming the block, mis click when i was meant to hit reply.

if villager, with only 1 known power role left, they wont out themselves.

unless its a one and done power.

worth a discussion if they should reveal if one and done. 

i would advocate for revealing to narrow down the suspect list.

[Amy the Singer]

Do we know if Dora had a peek first night? I'm reading back and she goes onto Amy kinda out of the blue.

If your evidence of her having a peek is her voting me then no she didn't have one.

[Raymond the Shoemaker]

I mean if Amy is a wolf than that clears me and vice versa. Countess for me has more of a question mark, playing up not knowing what is going on, first with Friar and second with the Mc/Jacob thing which was not discreet. Feel a bit better about Lily knowing Mc was faking it. Thought the questioning her last night indicated he knew something.
Also should look at voters moving off Amy to Oprah, could have been a safe way to avoid heat, hide in the crowds. We're all ignoring Moe who is doing sweet fuck all as well which worries me.

Expand on this...

With the numbers we need to focus on catching a wolf today and analytically the best bet is in those three posters

If Amy is a wolf than I can't be a wolf as I wouldn't have started a wagon on a wolf. If I am a wolf than Amy would be town as why start wagon on a wolf.

We could also both be town. I know I'm village, don't know Amy's alignment. 

We have to be super careful as we can't afford to flip wrong. For me Countess has more red flags than Amy at this stage. I can't get past claiming not to know whether Elsa was good or bad and not noticing Mc clearing Jacob.

[Countess Markievicz]

how would you say the wolves spread their votes?

It's literally in the post you quoted 😂

right. so if 2 in the 3 unknowns, we have a 67% of hitting wolf lynching there. updated table with corresponding probability below (i think).

i suppose the main question is, what is the most likely spread from the wolves. 

[Dexter the Dragoon]

Do we know if Dora had a peek first night? I'm reading back and she goes onto Amy kinda out of the blue.

Peak is usually a Night action, so would have been after lynch last night.

Typically the rules usually state if any actions are going to take place on Sunday/Monday and that isn't there.

BUT as this is a Necro game, I couldn't discount it

[Jacob the Tailor]

Expand on this...

With the numbers we need to focus on catching a wolf today and analytically the best bet is in those three posters

If Amy is a wolf than I can't be a wolf as I wouldn't have started a wagon on a wolf. If I am a wolf than Amy would be town as why start wagon on a wolf.

We could also both be town. I know I'm village, don't know Amy's alignment. 

We have to be super careful as we can't afford to flip wrong. For me Countess has more red flags than Amy at this stage. I can't get past claiming not to know whether Elsa was good or bad and not noticing Mc clearing Jacob.

At the possibility of becoming a target, the veto on shooting me by mc was not him clearing me. I didn't think it was for a second, he said himself was just talk.

[Countess Markievicz]

the best average at 50% comes by lynching in the 5 on oprah.

50% vs 39% vs 33%.

[Countess Markievicz]

Do we know if Dora had a peek first night? I'm reading back and she goes onto Amy kinda out of the blue.

if reading back and finding these posts, why not quote them for everyone's benefit?

[Raymond the Shoemaker]

If Amy is a wolf than I can't be a wolf as I wouldn't have started a wagon on a wolf. If I am a wolf than Amy would be town as why start wagon on a wolf.

We could also both be town. I know I'm village, don't know Amy's alignment. 

We have to be super careful as we can't afford to flip wrong. For me Countess has more red flags than Amy at this stage. I can't get past claiming not to know whether Elsa was good or bad and not noticing Mc clearing Jacob.

At the possibility of becoming a target, the veto on shooting me by mc was not him clearing me. I didn't think it was for a second, he said himself was just talk.

Well I took it as a clear. He was intimating he had some indication of your lean and that it was good. We now know he was bluffing so for me you were out of the frame but are now back in the frame.

[Jacob the Tailor]

There's usually a wolf on the first train to spread out votes. I'm not a wolf. That leaves

Mor
Lily
Xeena
Vincent

[Dexter the Dragoon]

Expand on this...

With the numbers we need to focus on catching a wolf today and analytically the best bet is in those three posters

If Amy is a wolf than I can't be a wolf as I wouldn't have started a wagon on a wolf. If I am a wolf than Amy would be town as why start wagon on a wolf.

We could also both be town. I know I'm village, don't know Amy's alignment. 

We have to be super careful as we can't afford to flip wrong. For me Countess has more red flags than Amy at this stage. I can't get past claiming not to know whether Elsa was good or bad and not noticing Mc clearing Jacob.

It would be a good look for you but it absolutely would not clear you..

[Dexter the Dragoon]

There's usually a wolf on the first train to spread out votes. I'm not a wolf. That leaves

Mor
Lily
Xeena
Vincent

 And me.. that's where my vote was, from 1pm.. I don't know why countess is using the blocked vote on me to minimise the %'s

[Jacob the Tailor]

Do we know if Dora had a peek first night? I'm reading back and she goes onto Amy kinda out of the blue.

if reading back and finding these posts, why not quote them for everyone's benefit?

And you've been very helpful this whole thread haven't you

[Countess Markievicz]

There's usually a wolf on the first train to spread out votes. I'm not a wolf. That leaves

Mor
Lily
Xeena
Vincent

 And me.. that's where my vote was, from 1pm.. I don't know why countess is using the blocked vote on me to minimise the %'s

if we include your blocked vote:
50% chance of lynching a wolf in oprah wagon.
50% chance of lynching a wolf in the other votes.

[Amy the Singer]

There was a proposal for Jacob to be shot earlier. I veto'd that decision, meaning i don't think it should go ahead, because i have my reasons. Ray pushed me on my reasons, but i believed that i should not say anything more, as that would be detrimental to the village.
It's not really a ww term, more a general term, so don't expect it in the glossary.

Yeah that was me that put forward Jacob as a shot target this morning

Morning folks,  early start for me as you can see! In the office today so might not get on quite as much but will do my best

Thats about as rough a monday as i can remember, im not even sure where to start today. 6v4v1 now with a munch to come shortly. Goes without saying we need to hit a wolf today and hope for some crossfire between scar and the wolves

Jesus, I was convinced Oprah was a wolf, the game play was so off.

How did the sk spot Dora? Must read back on her posts.

Were you convinced Oprah was a wolf though? You said you were between Oprah and countess yesterday

Dexter's vote was blocked. Does this clear him as a wolf?

Why did you think someone having a vote blocked could clear them as a wolf?

My FFA:
Amy - for her list I addressed above, I don't think her reasoning stacks up and screams non village to me.

Oprah - to be honest this feels a bit of a cop out, but she isn't giving me much to go on in relation to reasons she is helpful to village right now.

I haven't decided which way to vote. I'm going to mull it over until after only connect and give Oprah a chance to answer my post above.

I voted @Oprah the Gossip at 20:30

Can you explain how you went from Oprah is a cop out vote, to voting Oprah within 30 mins?

Thought it might have been a wolf who blocked them, although given there are hidden village roles maybe it was a villager. Not sure what the vote block was meant to achieve given the runaway vote on Oprah.

I could be wrong but I think those vote blocking powers need to be activated early,  so the person doing it may have had to choose a name by a certain time yesterday

One thing I would say is that I don't think Mcdonald is scar..  they moved their vote late off a counter wagon.  If scar they don't know who Oprah is and is risking being killed by last vote on gaston

That leaves dora cleared on the amy counter wagon, alongside Raymond, who is not

@Raymond the Shoemaker west was your reason for voting amy?

What was your reason i meant

I stayed on wagon as enough people had moved that it didn't matter. I made it clear I had no problem moving at a late stage if asked. I could also note that the wolves would have known that Oprah wasn't Gaston so late movers could have been wolves (as could I, as I offered to move late).

On balance I don't consider Mc wolf at present, as the veto thing would be a pretty ballsy move from a wolf.

Yeah thats why I said I dont think Mcdonald is scar.  They could be a wolf or village but I don't think scar

The main wagon ended up large but at one stage it was relatively close.. if dora was still alive id probably be between the two of ye but I think you're as good a starting point as any 😂

I gave a pretty detailed reason to Dora last night.
Basically reading on mobile I thought the ISOs Dexter did on me and Lilly were done by Amy as she mentioned us as most suspicious based on her ISO. 

Dexter pointed out to me that he had done the ISO not Amy, so that made it look a bit more like she had cribbed someone else's work rather than genuinely wolf hunting. 
Then she was quick to support Gordon's rubbish two named votes thing which only benefitted wolves. 

She told you she would post her ISOs, notes in an hour at half three, but then claimed way later than that she was still taking notes. 

I think her posts last night were a bit more reassuring to me, but not sure whether she's just gone in to damage limitation mode.

I dont really understand your reasoning for voting amy, it just reads as very confusing to me

Ill check back if I have time but it just seems like you got confused and used it as a reason to vote amy

Id agree amy wasn't very helpful yesterday but their posts last night were a little better so im happy to hear them out today rather than rush to vote their

If I had to guess id say scar is probably in the Oprah wagon somewhere

I thought she was a likely wolf because her posts were fluffy and she kept speculating about the Cruella power. She later backed away from her speculation that more than one tied player could be lynched.

What convinced me was her posts after the wagon had formed, she didn't try to convince us she wasn't a wolf, she didn't really contribute any reads of other players so didn't look like she was wolf hunting.

Yeah id agree she was a good candidate based on her posts but I don't think id have gone so far to say i was convinced,  especially on d1 nothing is set in stone

Lilly sprang into action last night after the lynch but I'm not sure how helpful any of it was. Particularly liked this gem which narrowed the wolves down to the main wagon, the other wagons and off wagon, which basically encompasses all players.

I dont agree that lily sprung into action last night.. I had a fair bit of back and forth with them during the day

They were on my ffa but I did like some of the fight they put up when I questioned them yesterday, so im unsure there tbh

But you voted there?

Yeah i sure did, hence why I said they were a good candidate for the lynch.. was i convinced? No

I said it at some stage yesterday,  if Oprah survived yesterday and had they same type of gameplay today, id just be voting there today anyway

All of Boris's posts from the time of Aladdin being announced as seer. Think he may have peeked either Ray or Lilly.

[Countess Markievicz]

if reading back and finding these posts, why not quote them for everyone's benefit?

And you've been very helpful this whole thread haven't you

not really, however you did the work but didnt quote the posts you were talking about.

[Raymond the Shoemaker]

Yeah that was me that put forward Jacob as a shot target this morning

Morning folks,  early start for me as you can see! In the office today so might not get on quite as much but will do my best

Thats about as rough a monday as i can remember, im not even sure where to start today. 6v4v1 now with a munch to come shortly. Goes without saying we need to hit a wolf today and hope for some crossfire between scar and the wolves

Were you convinced Oprah was a wolf though? You said you were between Oprah and countess yesterday

Why did you think someone having a vote blocked could clear them as a wolf?

Can you explain how you went from Oprah is a cop out vote, to voting Oprah within 30 mins?

I could be wrong but I think those vote blocking powers need to be activated early,  so the person doing it may have had to choose a name by a certain time yesterday

One thing I would say is that I don't think Mcdonald is scar..  they moved their vote late off a counter wagon.  If scar they don't know who Oprah is and is risking being killed by last vote on gaston

That leaves dora cleared on the amy counter wagon, alongside Raymond, who is not

@Raymond the Shoemaker west was your reason for voting amy?

What was your reason i meant

Yeah thats why I said I dont think Mcdonald is scar.  They could be a wolf or village but I don't think scar

The main wagon ended up large but at one stage it was relatively close.. if dora was still alive id probably be between the two of ye but I think you're as good a starting point as any 😂

I dont really understand your reasoning for voting amy, it just reads as very confusing to me

Ill check back if I have time but it just seems like you got confused and used it as a reason to vote amy

Id agree amy wasn't very helpful yesterday but their posts last night were a little better so im happy to hear them out today rather than rush to vote their

If I had to guess id say scar is probably in the Oprah wagon somewhere

Yeah id agree she was a good candidate based on her posts but I don't think id have gone so far to say i was convinced,  especially on d1 nothing is set in stone

I dont agree that lily sprung into action last night.. I had a fair bit of back and forth with them during the day

They were on my ffa but I did like some of the fight they put up when I questioned them yesterday, so im unsure there tbh

Yeah i sure did, hence why I said they were a good candidate for the lynch.. was i convinced? No

I said it at some stage yesterday,  if Oprah survived yesterday and had they same type of gameplay today, id just be voting there today anyway

All of Boris's posts from the time of Aladdin being announced as seer. Think he may have peeked either Ray or Lilly.

Logically if he was Aladdin he wouldn't have any seer peek till the morning, and he was munched prior to any reveal. His posting this morning was interrogating people more than anything else.

[Jacob the Tailor]

Dora going in on Raymond and then voting Amy out of the blue

[Jacob the Tailor]

Dora going in on Raymond and then voting Amy out of the blue

@Raymond the Shoemaker After saying all the above, I am currently voting for Amy, I dont have a problem with your direction of vote, more so how you got there

[Jacob the Tailor]

Dora going in on Raymond and then voting Amy out of the blue

@Raymond the Shoemaker After saying all the above, I am currently voting for Amy, I dont have a problem with your direction of vote, more so how you got there

@Raymond the Shoemaker After saying all the above, I am currently voting for Amy, I dont have a problem with your direction of vote, more so how you got there

I am on Amy well, will be in the next couple of mins

Also, need to sign up to a spelling and grammar course after this game, can hardly read my own bloody posts

[Jacob the Tailor]

Sorry for the mess there trying to figure this site out

[Jacob the Tailor]

If she had a peek Sunday night and chose Amy it would make sense. Why would you vote so cleanly night one

[Dexter the Dragoon]

Logically if he was Aladdin he wouldn't have any seer peek till the morning, and he was munched prior to any reveal. His posting this morning was interrogating people more than anything else.

Nah he would have got it as soon as he asked for it during the night phase. After 9pm.. this allows for a 9.59 reveal if needed

[Dexter the Dragoon]

Raymond seems to be trying to play down everything that leads to any suspicion at all on them this morning.. I think I'll be voting there today.

Ray
CM
Amy

Is my order at the mo

[Dexter the Dragoon]

To add to that, I think if Ray flips bad, I think Amy is the other one there due to Rays "clear" comment

[Amy the Singer]

If she had a peek Sunday night and chose Amy it would make sense. Why would you vote so cleanly night one

You're cherry picking Dora's posts. What do you mean by voting cleanly? 
Dora went after Friar, Dex and me. She was wrong on Friar and me but why are you overlooking that she went about things fairly logically and that Dexter was on her list too?

[Amy the Singer]

To add to that, I think if Ray flips bad, I think Amy is the other one there due to Rays "clear" comment

Well you are wrong. I'm not a wolf.

[Amy the Singer]

@Lilly the Millennial
@Moe the Innkeeper
@Zeena Warrior Princess
@Vincent the Artist

On the assumption that ye aren't all evil and the village are fighting it out on thread, more input from you would be helpful.

[Raymond the Shoemaker]

To add to that, I think if Ray flips bad, I think Amy is the other one there due to Rays "clear" comment

We can't afford a wrong flip and you know it. There is lynch and then munch. We need to be lynched wisely.