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[Countess Markievicz]

anyway folks, i'm off to bed. laters

[Amy the Singer]

This is nonsense. It's Day 1, of course I'm unsure on the majority. The only person whose alignment I know is my own. How exactly are you an "easy target" compared to anyone else?  I'm not a wolf so I don't need to worry about being caught.

what about scar?

I'm also not Scar.

[Raymond the Shoemaker]

I don't thnk that's true. Two of the dead villagers seemed to have roles related to seeing, so their posts matter. Dora voted for Amy and Gordon voted for me. 

Doesn't necessarily mean they voted for wolves, as they may have peeked someone else as good and then reevaluated and voted for someone else, but interestingly neither was on Oprah.

What's the significance of neither on Oprah do you think?

There may be none, but alternatively they may have peeked them and realised they were good. It's interesting as most people on Oprah, to be fair some moved to stop a potential tie, which was the right call.

[McDonald the Farmer]

Can you share a few of the notes from your ISO? Like you say you've ISO'd everyone & then just say Lilly & Ray are suspicious for those reasons

Give your read on me for example? Or anyone else.. I get it's D1 & all but would be interested to hear it

Am away from my computer so dont have my full notes handy but be back home in an hour and can give full details then. 
My read on you was a bit spatty but not afraid to challenge and engaging with thread a lot. On Oprah I noted that I didn't really see what others were seeing in terms of sowing confusion but they were fixated on Cruella which they acknowledged themselves.

Moe has 1 post full of feck all.... read it

Jacob. 5 posts, again, very little to go on. Discusses roles in 1 post & conversions in another. othing else really except filler

I'm catching up today as was away yesterday. So I'm replying to posts as I come across them. Nothing but filler? - first off you contradict yourself, my opening posts were not filler, secondly, from my optics you're sowing confusion in the thread and you're not being very helpful.

19:40 moving my vote to amy.  goes on about notes a lot, but then even with note, say jake is saying oprah is sowing confusion, when jake said amy was sowing confusion. so even her notes on sowing confusion were sowing confusion.

I made a mistake but Jacob used those exact words, just not about Oprah.

You said it first, those exact word taking about oprah and how you don't see it.
Then Jabob says you are sowing confusion.

So, why do you make a note that Jabob is saying oprah is sowing confusion?
Sure, mistake, but you used those exact words first, so i not sure what that's supposed to mean, saying jabob used those exact words.

[Dexter the Dragoon]

There is nothing in the OP to suggest the fireball is reactionary. It reads to me as a specific power. 

Jafar is one of the greatest and most villainous sorcerers in the land. His powers will be deadly, ruthless, and are numerous. Aladdin should steer clear of his fireball…

powers thief should steer clear says to me that it's reactionary, if thief was to try steal from jafar, they would get a fireball in the face.

Would agree with this take myself. The wording emphasizes Aladdin starring clear of it so would be to do with Aladdin's role rather than Jafars in this part

[Dexter the Dragoon]

Staying clear^

[Amy the Singer]

Am away from my computer so dont have my full notes handy but be back home in an hour and can give full details then. 
My read on you was a bit spatty but not afraid to challenge and engaging with thread a lot. On Oprah I noted that I didn't really see what others were seeing in terms of sowing confusion but they were fixated on Cruella which they acknowledged themselves.

I'm catching up today as was away yesterday. So I'm replying to posts as I come across them. Nothing but filler? - first off you contradict yourself, my opening posts were not filler, secondly, from my optics you're sowing confusion in the thread and you're not being very helpful.

I made a mistake but Jacob used those exact words, just not about Oprah.

You said it first, those exact word taking about oprah and how you don't see it.
Then Jabob says you are sowing confusion.

So, why do you make a note that Jabob is saying oprah is sowing confusion?
Sure, mistake, but you used those exact words first, so i not sure what that's supposed to mean, saying jabob used those exact words.

Yeah, I read back and it's a complete mix up by me. Dexter originally posted about Oprah being "confusion/chaos central" and I put it into my notes as a question about whether they were. I then ran with the idea that this was what Dex had actually said but it wasn't.  Total mea culpa here. 

[Amy the Singer]

Ah ffs. When I hit reply, white text didn't show so switched font colours. Last post should have read:

Yeah, I read back and it's a complete mix up by me. Dexter originally posted about Oprah being "confusion/chaos central" and I put it into my notes as a question about whether they were. I then ran with the idea that this was what Dex had actually said but it wasn't. Total mea culpa here.

[Boris the Fool]

Morning folks, early start for me as you can see! In the office today so might not get on quite as much but will do my best

Thats about as rough a monday as i can remember, im not even sure where to start today. 6v4v1 now with a munch to come shortly. Goes without saying we need to hit a wolf today and hope for some crossfire between scar and the wolves

[Boris the Fool]

Jesus, I was convinced Oprah was a wolf, the game play was so off.

How did the sk spot Dora? Must read back on her posts.

Were you convinced Oprah was a wolf though? You said you were between Oprah and countess yesterday

[Dexter the Dragoon]

Morning folks, vomiting bug in the house here since last night so I dunno if I'll be able to get on as much today, hasn't hit me yet thankfully.. I was having a look at something last night that I'll try to post shortly anyways.

[Boris the Fool]

Dexter's vote was blocked. Does this clear him as a wolf?

Why did you think someone having a vote blocked could clear them as a wolf?

[Boris the Fool]

My FFA:
Amy - for her list I addressed above, I don't think her reasoning stacks up and screams non village to me.

Oprah - to be honest this feels a bit of a cop out, but she isn't giving me much to go on in relation to reasons she is helpful to village right now.

I haven't decided which way to vote. I'm going to mull it over until after only connect and give Oprah a chance to answer my post above.

I voted @Oprah the Gossip at 20:30

Can you explain how you went from Oprah is a cop out vote, to voting Oprah within 30 mins?

[Raymond the Shoemaker]

Dexter's vote was blocked. Does this clear him as a wolf?

Why did you think someone having a vote blocked could clear them as a wolf?

Thought it might have been a wolf who blocked them, although given there are hidden village roles maybe it was a villager. Not sure what the vote block was meant to achieve given the runaway vote on Oprah.

[Boris the Fool]

Why did you think someone having a vote blocked could clear them as a wolf?

Thought it might have been a wolf who blocked them, although given there are hidden village roles maybe it was a villager. Not sure what the vote block was meant to achieve given the runaway vote on Oprah.

I could be wrong but I think those vote blocking powers need to be activated early,  so the person doing it may have had to choose a name by a certain time yesterday

[Dexter the Dragoon]

So I was looking at the lower posters last night a little,  with the two newbies being the bottom two (which could probably be expected) but it led me to thinking what are the chances of at least one of them being bad.. so I did the Maths and taking the 2 newbies, 15 players and 5 bad roles, there is a 57% chance that at least one of them could Rand as bad.

I think it would be good to show their post progression in isolation at this point. Day 1, obviously not much expected from them. This is just a discussion point and I'm not saying that either of them are a wolf at the mo.

Vincent post progression

Afternoon all.

First timer here. Excited and looking forward to seeing how it all plays out. Currently wrapping my head around the terms so I can keep up to speed 🤞

I haven't a clue! Hopefully I'm not the only newbie .

You're not alone on that count. We'll muddle through and learn as we go

Am I right in thinking that a declared vote system would be honour based? As in we would only know if there's been a successful manipulation if the outcome doesn't match and even then we wouldn't necessarily know who pulled a switcheroo?

If any of the running theories on how expansive Cruella's powers are in a tie prove accurate (i.e. decision not limited to tied players or to just one in multiway tie) it seems best to do what we can to avoid that scenario

I'm inclined to think the flavour is just flavour. Beast returning to human form isn't based on his death but the filling of the curse-breaking requirements - loving another and earning their love in return before the rose loses all its petals.

Has everyone declared? That's the other thing if not everyone has declared it might be hard to hedge bets by moving. I voted for Amy. Would move to Oprah if necessary, they are not terribly helpful to teh village.

I haven't declared yet. I'm voting Oprah who I believe introduced the idea of multiple lynch Cruella in the event of a tie and in later posts distanced themselves from that.

I haven't declared yet. I'm voting Oprah who I believe introduced the idea of multiple lynch Cruella in the event of a tie and in later posts distanced themselves from that.

Voted @ 20:35 for Oprah the Gossip

Does village as an adjective indicate good? Or is it just a general term?

Thanks @Lilly the Millennial and @Raymond the Shoemaker . I just wanted to confirm because I thought there was some ambiguity earlier around Friar Tuck.

So we've lost 4 villagers - 3 roled of which 2 had hidden roles. That's some strike rate

What does a veto do? Can't find it in the glossary

Ah right. I follow now.

Zeena post progression

Hi all,

Go almighty Im.a newbie and haven't a clue how all this works!

I haven't a clue! Hopefully I'm not the only newbie .

Ah thanks for all the advice everyone, I was just going to say is it a bit like the traitors although this seems like a very very complicated version!

Ah I'll muddle along, glad your in the same boat Vincent.

Oh welcome Oprah, have you anymore gossip for us?

No Oprah, I'm not a wolf I'm a new player.

I was advised by others(think it was Boris but apologies if not!) the best way to learn game is interact with others.

God almighty your obviously not as helpful as others to new players to the game.

Just catching up on my lunchbreak and to be honest Im finding it hard to follow with all the multiple quotes per post.

I really have no idea how Im supposed to figure out who is bad and who is good but I'll try read through all the posts after work to get a better handle on it.

Im going to have to go for Oprah aswell.

Just didnt think her first post to me was very helpful to a newbie.

I know I'll probably have to be able to take it more as the game goes on but that's my reasoning for now.

So what does this mean for the game, do we not vote now if someone is already killed?

Im not keeping track but I think Oprah leading, followed by Amy?

Why so many deaths on the first night!

[Dexter the Dragoon]

The other thing I was looking at was the post counts and deaded players. Scar, the wolves, and whoever that shot was from, all targeted low posters, if you discount the newbs. Why wasn't Moe targeted, by Scar or the Wolves.. it does look like they were role hunting and presuming the Roles are in the low posters

Total Posts: 536
User # Posts
Dexter the Dragoon 103
Boris the Fool 92
Raymond the Shoemaker 40
Lilly the Millennial 37
Jacob the Tailor 34
McDonald the Farmer 33
Amy the Singer 33
Gordon the Cook 31
Countess Markievicz 30
Oprah the Gossip 28
Dora the Explorer 20
Moe the Innkeeper 12
Vincent the Artist 11
Zeena Warrior Princess 10
Friar Tuck 7

[Raymond the Shoemaker]

@Dexter the Dragoon not much to go on with either of those, but I agree with not discounting them. What stands out the most to me is is the Vincent quote about the strike rate.

Also in the low posters is Moe, who I keep nearly forgetting about.

[Amy the Singer]

Morning all

Dead (4) :
Friar Tuck                 Shot by laser (Buzz Lightyear?) - Village Frostbinder
Dora the Explorer      Simba - Killed by Scar giving him bonus kill?
Gordon the Cook       Killed by Scar - Village Truth Reader
Oprah the Gossip      Lynched by Village - NRV

Alive (11): 
Amy the Singer
Boris the Fool
Countess Markievicz
Dexter the Dragoon
Jacob the Tailor
Lilly the Millennial
McDonald the Farmer
Moe the Innkeeper
Raymond the Shoemaker
Vincent the Artist
Zeena Warrior Princess

We're 6 v 4 v 1 now. Even with a protect, it could be 5 v 4 v 1 after munch. Best case scenario is wolves take out Scar, making it 6 v 4. If village have any non-lethal powers left, I'd suggest making use of them asap.

[Raymond the Shoemaker]

Voting Results Night 1:

Time for wagonomics.
4 wolves. There will be a couple on Oprah, and possibly one on Amy, and one off wagon.

Lilly sprang into action last night after the lynch but I'm not sure how helpful any of it was. Particularly liked this gem which narrowed the wolves down to the main wagon, the other wagons and off wagon, which basically encompasses all players.

[Amy the Singer]

The other thing I was looking at was the post counts and deaded players. Scar, the wolves, and whoever that shot was from, all targeted low posters, if you discount the newbs. Why wasn't Moe targeted, by Scar or the Wolves.. it does look like they were role hunting and presuming the Roles are in the low posters

Total Posts: 536
User # Posts
Dexter the Dragoon 103
Boris the Fool 92
Raymond the Shoemaker 40
Lilly the Millennial 37
Jacob the Tailor 34
McDonald the Farmer 33
Amy the Singer 33
Gordon the Cook 31
Countess Markievicz 30
Oprah the Gossip 28
Dora the Explorer 20
Moe the Innkeeper 12
Vincent the Artist 11
Zeena Warrior Princess 10
Friar Tuck 7

Not sure you can make the low poster argument. For Dora, sure but you'd really have to count Gordon as a mid range poster based on those numbers, and I'd have considered them fairly vocal.

[Boris the Fool]

One thing I would say is that I don't think Mcdonald is scar.. they moved their vote late off a counter wagon. If scar they don't know who Oprah is and is risking being killed by last vote on gaston

That leaves dora cleared on the amy counter wagon, alongside Raymond, who is not

[Raymond the Shoemaker]

Not going to quote but Countess is also highly dubious. I don't buy that any experienced player didn't know that Elsa was village, considering she's a Disney Princess and the word village was in her role. I didn't like questioning Amy if they were Scar either. Scar is the wolves priority right now, so identifying him only helps them.

[Boris the Fool]

@Raymond the Shoemaker west was your reason for voting amy?

[Boris the Fool]

What was your reason i meant

[Raymond the Shoemaker]

One thing I would say is that I don't think Mcdonald is scar..  they moved their vote late off a counter wagon.  If scar they don't know who Oprah is and is risking being killed by last vote on gaston

That leaves dora cleared on the amy counter wagon, alongside Raymond, who is not

I stayed on wagon as enough people had moved that it didn't matter. I made it clear I had no problem moving at a late stage if asked. I could also note that the wolves would have known that Oprah wasn't Gaston so late movers could have been wolves (as could I, as I offered to move late).

On balance I don't consider Mc wolf at present, as the veto thing would be a pretty ballsy move from a wolf.

[Dexter the Dragoon]

Time for wagonomics.
4 wolves. There will be a couple on Oprah, and possibly one on Amy, and one off wagon.

Lilly sprang into action last night after the lynch but I'm not sure how helpful any of it was. Particularly liked this gem which narrowed the wolves down to the main wagon, the other wagons and off wagon, which basically encompasses all players.

There is definitely wagonomics there so its Interesting that you would discount that so easily, seeing as you are the only one alive on the Amy votes, and then 1 from 2 on the Lilly votes. 

I would highly doubt that there is 5 baddies on the Oprah train.. so id be looking at there being at least 1 if not 2 in Amy, Ray, Countess

[Amy the Singer]

Time for wagonomics.
4 wolves. There will be a couple on Oprah, and possibly one on Amy, and one off wagon.

Lilly sprang into action last night after the lynch but I'm not sure how helpful any of it was. Particularly liked this gem which narrowed the wolves down to the main wagon, the other wagons and off wagon, which basically encompasses all players.

Well they're definitely right that there's at least one evil on Oprah. Curious as to why they thought one on me specifically rather than one or her or me, given we both have two votes in the end.

[Amy the Singer]

[Raymond the Shoemaker]

@Raymond the Shoemaker west was your reason for voting amy?

I gave a pretty detailed reason to Dora last night.
Basically reading on mobile I thought the ISOs Dexter did on me and Lilly were done by Amy as she mentioned us as most suspicious based on her ISO. 

Dexter pointed out to me that he had done the ISO not Amy, so that made it look a bit more like she had cribbed someone else's work rather than genuinely wolf hunting. 
Then she was quick to support Gordon's rubbish two named votes thing which only benefitted wolves. 

She told you she would post her ISOs, notes in an hour at half three, but then claimed way later than that she was still taking notes. 

I think her posts last night were a bit more reassuring to me, but not sure whether she's just gone in to damage limitation mode.

[Dexter the Dragoon]

Lilly sprang into action last night after the lynch but I'm not sure how helpful any of it was. Particularly liked this gem which narrowed the wolves down to the main wagon, the other wagons and off wagon, which basically encompasses all players.

Well they're definitely right that there's at least one evil on Oprah. Curious as to why they thought one on me specifically rather than one or her or me, given we both have two votes in the end.

Gordon and Oprah are dead, only the top three wagons count, so you are included and so is she.

[Boris the Fool]

One thing I would say is that I don't think Mcdonald is scar..  they moved their vote late off a counter wagon.  If scar they don't know who Oprah is and is risking being killed by last vote on gaston

That leaves dora cleared on the amy counter wagon, alongside Raymond, who is not

I stayed on wagon as enough people had moved that it didn't matter. I made it clear I had no problem moving at a late stage if asked. I could also note that the wolves would have known that Oprah wasn't Gaston so late movers could have been wolves (as could I, as I offered to move late).

On balance I don't consider Mc wolf at present, as the veto thing would be a pretty ballsy move from a wolf.

Yeah thats why I said I dont think Mcdonald is scar.  They could be a wolf or village but I don't think scar

The main wagon ended up large but at one stage it was relatively close.. if dora was still alive id probably be between the two of ye but I think you're as good a starting point as any 😂

[Raymond the Shoemaker]

Lilly sprang into action last night after the lynch but I'm not sure how helpful any of it was. Particularly liked this gem which narrowed the wolves down to the main wagon, the other wagons and off wagon, which basically encompasses all players.

There is definitely wagonomics there so its Interesting that you would discount that so easily, seeing as you are the only one alive on the Amy votes, and then 1 from 2 on the Lilly votes. 

I would highly doubt that there is 5 baddies on the Oprah train.. so id be looking at there being at least 1 if not 2 in Amy, Ray, Countess

I'm not discounting wagonomics but Lily basically named everyone as possible wolf with that post. That's not helpful in narrowing the field.

[Amy the Singer]

Well they're definitely right that there's at least one evil on Oprah. Curious as to why they thought one on me specifically rather than one or her or me, given we both have two votes in the end.

Gordon and Oprah are dead, only the top three wagons count, so you are included and so is she.

Yes, I know this. My point was about Lily specifically naming my wagon and not hers.

[Raymond the Shoemaker]

I stayed on wagon as enough people had moved that it didn't matter. I made it clear I had no problem moving at a late stage if asked. I could also note that the wolves would have known that Oprah wasn't Gaston so late movers could have been wolves (as could I, as I offered to move late).

On balance I don't consider Mc wolf at present, as the veto thing would be a pretty ballsy move from a wolf.

Yeah thats why I said I dont think Mcdonald is scar.  They could be a wolf or village but I don't think scar

The main wagon ended up large but at one stage it was relatively close.. if dora was still alive id probably be between the two of ye but I think you're as good a starting point as any 😂

Absolutely, based on wagonomics I look bad but all I can say is I gave my reasons for voting for Amy and I stand by those reasons.

[Dexter the Dragoon]

There is definitely wagonomics there so its Interesting that you would discount that so easily, seeing as you are the only one alive on the Amy votes, and then 1 from 2 on the Lilly votes. 

I would highly doubt that there is 5 baddies on the Oprah train.. so id be looking at there being at least 1 if not 2 in Amy, Ray, Countess

I'm not discounting wagonomics but Lily basically named everyone as possible wolf with that post. That's not helpful in narrowing the field.

No she didn't 😂 when you include the dreaded posters, you are the only one left on the Amy wagon, so she called you a wolf. You didn't like it so you are disgarding the whole post.. even though she specifically says that there could be 2 on Oprah, one on Amy and one on Lilly, so 2 from a fuckload, 1 from 1 and 1 from 2. So instead of disregarding what she said, maybe look at the off wagon votes. and I agree with her btw, I would be looking first at the 3 posters left off Oprah, mainly because I can't see all 4 wolves voting together.

So there could be 1(or possibly 2) in Amy, you and Countess.

[Countess Markievicz]

@Dexter the Dragoon not much to go on with either of those, but I agree with not discounting them. What stands out the most to me is is the Vincent quote about the strike rate.

Also in the low posters is Moe, who I keep nearly forgetting about.

sup raymond

[Boris the Fool]

@Raymond the Shoemaker west was your reason for voting amy?

I gave a pretty detailed reason to Dora last night.
Basically reading on mobile I thought the ISOs Dexter did on me and Lilly were done by Amy as she mentioned us as most suspicious based on her ISO. 

Dexter pointed out to me that he had done the ISO not Amy, so that made it look a bit more like she had cribbed someone else's work rather than genuinely wolf hunting. 
Then she was quick to support Gordon's rubbish two named votes thing which only benefitted wolves. 

She told you she would post her ISOs, notes in an hour at half three, but then claimed way later than that she was still taking notes. 

I think her posts last night were a bit more reassuring to me, but not sure whether she's just gone in to damage limitation mode.

I dont really understand your reasoning for voting amy, it just reads as very confusing to me

Ill check back if I have time but it just seems like you got confused and used it as a reason to vote amy

Id agree amy wasn't very helpful yesterday but their posts last night were a little better so im happy to hear them out today rather than rush to vote their

[Countess Markievicz]

One thing I would say is that I don't think Mcdonald is scar..  they moved their vote late off a counter wagon.  If scar they don't know who Oprah is and is risking being killed by last vote on gaston

That leaves dora cleared on the amy counter wagon, alongside Raymond, who is not

I stayed on wagon as enough people had moved that it didn't matter. I made it clear I had no problem moving at a late stage if asked. I could also note that the wolves would have known that Oprah wasn't Gaston so late movers could have been wolves (as could I, as I offered to move late).

On balance I don't consider Mc wolf at present, as the veto thing would be a pretty ballsy move from a wolf.

do any of your team mates have the balls for that move?

[Amy the Singer]

I'm not discounting wagonomics but Lily basically named everyone as possible wolf with that post. That's not helpful in narrowing the field.

No she didn't 😂 when you include the dreaded posters, you are the only one left on the Amy wagon, so she called you a wolf. You didn't like it so you are disgarding the whole post.. even though she specifically says that there could be 2 on Oprah, one on Amy and one on Lilly, so 2 from a fuckload, 1 from 1 and 1 from 2. So instead of disregarding what she said, maybe look at the off wagon votes. and I agree with her btw, I would be looking first at the 3 posters left off Oprah, mainly because I can't see all 4 wolves voting together.

So there could be 1(or possibly 2) in Amy, you and Countess.

No, she specifically did NOT say that bit in bold. That was the point I was making.