Disney Classics Werewolf

[Lilly the Millennial]

Reading back over thread.

Thoughts so far. Most likely village, Dexter, Mc, Boris and Jacob.
Amy likely good now. Was forgettable to me, but her ISOs redeemed her in my eyes even if she doesn't like me. Seems to be genuinely wolf hunting.
Vincent and Zeena newbies so not in consideration for tonight but I don't think would be anyway.

Neutral on Friar and Dora.

Didn't like Oprah harassing a newbie, it's not fair to someone finding their feet. Not sure it's enough for me to vote there.

Lilly the whole chaos thing seemed a bit overblown. There was something else I noticed on read back I didn't like.

Gordon don't like. Seems overdramatic and a lot of hot air. I don't understand an experienced player talking about not declaring votes, this always helps with wagonomics, if declared votes don't match actual votes post lynch. I also thought they spent too long on this topic, just seemed like posting for no real benefit. Also the anti Boris tone seemed a bit strong on day one with nothing to go on.

Honestly right now Amy is my biggest red flag.

Much as I don't like Gordon's declare two votes plan, which completely contradicts his earlier  devils advocating of an ongoing tally of votes, I don't see a wolf being that noisy and drawing that much heat early on.

Earlier I thought Amy had done detailed ISOs of Lilly and me to support us as top two suspect but that was actually Dexter and she just stated she had done an ISO and we were top two. Now several hours later she is taking notes when she said approx half three she would be home in an hour to post her ISOs she'd already done. Added to that she was very quick to jump on Gordon's frankly terrible two votes declaration which only benefits wolves. It's not a good look.

Wasn't a fan of Oprah's posts towards Xeena but not enough to vote there. The more they post the more I don't like it. Very defensive, saying people who posted before them are parroting them is ridiculous. Don't see much attempt at wolf hunting.

Lilly still towards the top of my suspicions also. Conflicted as to whether they were putting pressure or role hunting, although same could be said of me.

There's a few floating middle people not making much of an impression, which worries me a bit. Friar, Moe, Countess.

Good for me are Boris, Mc and Jacob.

@Dexter the Dragoon not much to go on with either of those, but I agree with not discounting them. What stands out the most to me is is the Vincent quote about the strike rate.

Also in the low posters is Moe, who I keep nearly forgetting about.

OK this is a mindfuck. So Mc was faking it, which means Jacob is not clear anymore.

Focusing on the Wolves (4) now, do we see all 4 of them on that top wagon? I can't see it personally myself.



I think that the wolves weren't expecting Dora and Gordon to be killed by Scar, so were possibly feeling comfortable with 2 on the top and 2 elsewhere.. I think there is definitely at least 1 in Raymond, Amy and Countess. Personally think there could be 2. And that's where the focus should be today.

Anyone any thoughts on this?

I mean if Amy is a wolf than that clears me and vice versa. Countess for me has more of a question mark, playing up not knowing what is going on, first with Friar and second with the Mc/Jacob thing which was not discreet. Feel a bit better about Lily knowing Mc was faking it. Thought the questioning her last night indicated he knew something.
Also should look at voters moving off Amy to Oprah, could have been a safe way to avoid heat, hide in the crowds. We're all ignoring Moe who is doing sweet fuck all as well which worries me.

At the possibility of becoming a target, the veto on shooting me by mc was not him clearing me. I didn't think it was for a second, he said himself was just talk.

Well I took it as a clear. He was intimating he had some indication of your lean and that it was good. We now know he was bluffing so for me you were out of the frame but are now back in the frame.

raymond is where my vote is at. i know he will say he missed this question but i think he is unsure how to answer it so just ignored it hoping i would forget

That's a bullshit question, why would I respond to that. I love how you've flipped from best chance of a wolf is amongst the Oprah voters to going outside those voters when you see the best chance of railroading a villager.

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OK this is great news. We have a bit more hope now, especially if we flip a wolf at lynch. Confirms we had at least one low lying wolf. Called out Countess fairly strongly last post, don't know if that's good for Countess or seeking to distance?

OK finally caught up.

Dexter: big claim of core village, no counterclaim so will believe for now. This is good as the Vincent shooting thing was mighty flippant when it was 5 vs 4, gave me a big pause.

Countess. I still think they are playing the Fool and floating along. Not knowing Elsa was village, not noticing the Jacob/Mc clear, now rowing in behind Amy and Dexter voting for me on a spurious basis right after saying best odds on finding a wolf were in the Oprah voters.

Jake to me is either Hans or village based on the McDonald clear, I think the wolves would have known Mc Donald was bluffing if another wolf  bar Hans was cleared. But then they would they not have munched Mc if Jacob was Hans? don't find their posts particularly helpful and there was some misattributing of votes at tally last night. Not really sure about Jake

Xeena: I know she is new but that's all she says. Asks what's going on and what is happening. Not posting much and there doesn't seem to be any eagerness to wolf hunt.

Vincent. Very similar to Xeena. Not posting much. Not trying to figure things out. The is village good question seemed in stark contrast to assessing the hit rate of dead rolled posters vs NRVs. Scrupulously polite, as if not trying to make waves.

Lilly: Dunno. I wasn't keen on them yesterday, in large part due to the Mc power thief thing. When mc turned out to be scar didn't have as much misgivings about Lily, but they have been quite absent today which is giving me pause.

Amy: that's were I voted yesterday and I have stated my reasons, and they are still valid. The posting last night reassured me more and they are very active again today which is good. I don't like pushing the narrative that Boris peeked me and was hinting I was bad. I know he couldn't have done that as I'm village. His posts were questioning my reasons for voting on Amy, and at one point suggested I was confused. I'm wondering based on his querying of the Mc move, that he was wolf or village but not scar, and that since Dora was good that I should be looked at, whether he peeked Amy who showed as good, so Amy either village or Hans.

I will say Amy and Countess seemed most bummed about the 5 vs 4 situation earlier. Dexter seemed quite energised which bothers me, but role claim is a role claim.

Village to wolf

Village Dexter, me

Middle Amy, Jake, Lilly

Wolfiest Countess, Vincent, Xeena.

Not sure what way to vote.

Personally I would discount Zeena from being a wolf myself as they seem genuinely confused by what's going on. To just use that and offer no help in a backroom to them wouldn't be in the spirit of the game for me anyways. Not sure what others think but FG has a genuine welcoming community so can't see it happening.

I get what you're saying but I can't fully agree regarding Xeena and Vincent. It's tricky because newbies can be genuinely confused but they could also be yucking it up in a backroom, being told how to play things.
I've put in a vote for Countess as I don't get a genuinr impression they are wolf hunting but I'm still very conflicted, particularly about Vincent not reacting to the gun pointing talk. Genuinely not certain how to take it.

These are Ray's posts that mention Connie/Jacob. 
I find it very interesting they were very quick to clear Jacob so early in the game. They have done a turn on this but I don't follow what they are saying re: Jacob being Hans