Round Table Discussion Thread

[Moe the Innkeeper]

I think we need to go Friar and then depending on how he turns we might need to look at Countess.

What do you expect frier to turn?

[Friar Tuck]

This is not a gastard game, I was told at least one of Lilly’s voters is a traitor and we’ve seen two of them flip Faithful so I have zero doubt you are the traitor. But well played!

And I was told motion was detected with Dora, so either the wolves won undeclared prizes or you're lying. We're at 5-2/4-3 now, kill me and you're left with 4-2/4-3. If you're being honest and you're killed after me that's 3-2/3/3.

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

Zeena 2 - shields claimed
Weyland
Friar - trip wire claimed
Countess - vote analysis claimed
Gordon

Could there have been 3 prizes and wolves won the others?

I can confirm I did not win a prize either day and I reckon if Gordon won a prize he would have said

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

I think we need to go Friar and then depending on how he turns we might need to look at Countess.

What do you expect frier to turn?

I still believe Countess so I expect a traitor when he flips

[Friar Tuck]

Zeena 2 - shields claimed
Weyland
Friar - trip wire claimed
Countess - vote analysis claimed
Gordon

Could there have been 3 prizes and wolves won the others?

I can confirm I did not win a prize either day and I reckon if Gordon won a prize he would have said

Well if either of you were a wolf you wouldn't declare it.

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

I dont think it is even up for discussion, we have to vote Friar and you would say the same thing if you were in our shoes.

It is highly unlikely there were 3 prizes given out among 5 players each day or even one of the days

[Friar Tuck]

I dont think it is even up for discussion, we have to vote Friar and you would say the same thing if you were in our shoes.

It is highly unlikely there were 3 prizes given out among 5 players each day or even one of the days

Some people questioned the liklihood of you winning the same prize on both days, so it is really that unlikely?

[Moe the Innkeeper]

I dont think it is even up for discussion, we have to vote Friar and you would say the same thing if you were in our shoes.

It is highly unlikely there were 3 prizes given out among 5 players each day or even one of the days

I agree it has to be frier. I spent enough of my mental energy yesterday trying to figure out their prize claims and I'm not entertaining it any more

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

Again I don't totally understand the game in terms of end game, so with 7 players left, there most be 4 village and 3 wolves if end game starts before parity.

If the above is true, its almost certain 2 wolves if not all 3 voted Dora yesterday

At this moment, I would put Moe as the most village, he had a chance to vote Dora yesterday and it wouldn't really have thrown to much attention to him as we would still be looking at friar.

My read now is

Zeena - Vil
Moe - Vil
Gordon - probably vil

3 wolves here, ranked in the highest probability

Friar
William
Weyland
Countess

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

I dont think it is even up for discussion, we have to vote Friar and you would say the same thing if you were in our shoes.

It is highly unlikely there were 3 prizes given out among 5 players each day or even one of the days

Some people questioned the liklihood of you winning the same prize on both days, so it is really that unlikely?

I won 2 shields, one each day, what can I say, I was very lucky

No one else has claimed to have won shields

You won a prize and said nothing about it until the next day, just that you won a prize. You then accused Dora, who flipped faithful, of being a wolf because of your trip wire prize. Now you say someone else might have won a prize to sabotage yours. How many stories are you going to make up?

[Friar Tuck]

Some people questioned the liklihood of you winning the same prize on both days, so it is really that unlikely?

I won 2 shields, one each day, what can I say, I was very lucky

No one else has claimed to have won shields

You won a prize and said nothing about it until the next day, just that you won a prize. You then accused Dora, who flipped faithful, of being a wolf because of your trip wire prize. Now you say someone else might have won a prize to sabotage yours. How many stories are you going to make up?

I'm trying to figure out how I got that result. Think about it, this is a perfect scenario for the wolves, we're killing villagers based on incorrect info.

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

I won 2 shields, one each day, what can I say, I was very lucky

No one else has claimed to have won shields

You won a prize and said nothing about it until the next day, just that you won a prize. You then accused Dora, who flipped faithful, of being a wolf because of your trip wire prize. Now you say someone else might have won a prize to sabotage yours. How many stories are you going to make up?

I'm trying to figure out how I got that result. Think about it, this is a perfect scenario for the wolves, we're killing villagers based on incorrect info.

But Friar, look at it from our pov today, are you really saying you would vote someone else if you were us?

I mean who else are we going to vote for first ahead of you?

[Friar Tuck]

I'm trying to figure out how I got that result. Think about it, this is a perfect scenario for the wolves, we're killing villagers based on incorrect info.

But Friar, look at it from our pov today, are you really saying you would vote someone else if you were us?

I mean who else are we going to vote for first ahead of you?

If I accept you're honest about your prizes I'd vote for Countess because she declared a prize that will ultimately kill 3 villagers. The other option is to consider undeclared prizes won by wolves.

[Gordon the Cook]

Zeena, was your first prize a team shield?

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

But Friar, look at it from our pov today, are you really saying you would vote someone else if you were us?

I mean who else are we going to vote for first ahead of you?

If I accept you're honest about your prizes I'd vote for Countess because she declared a prize that will ultimately kill 3 villagers. The other option is to consider undeclared prizes won by wolves.

Seriously?, I'm not say countess is cleared vil but her prize at this point has no black mark against it like yours. 

I believe there were 2 prizes each day, but those prizes didn't have to be won by villagers

A wolf winning a prize just means a villager doesn't

[Gordon the Cook]

There is no more murders, so there is no reason to hide any info about the shields any more.

[Friar Tuck]

If I accept you're honest about your prizes I'd vote for Countess because she declared a prize that will ultimately kill 3 villagers. The other option is to consider undeclared prizes won by wolves.

Seriously?, I'm not say countess is cleared vil but her prize at this point has no black mark against it like yours. 

I believe there were 2 prizes each day, but those prizes didn't have to be won by villagers

A wolf winning a prize just means a villager doesn't

Do you not think there would be a prize to help a wolf if they won? If Countess is telling the truth it would mean both of us were given tainted prizes. The countess prize was deemed as valuable, so it's likely the wolves would get a similar one.

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

Zeena, was your first prize a team shield?

Both shields were the same

I could use it on myself or give it to someone

One piece of info I left out to protect myself a bit was that they had to be used the night I won them. 

I used both on myself, Monday night and Tuesday night

I lied yesterday when I said I still had it, but in any case there were no more murders so it's redundant now

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

Seriously?, I'm not say countess is cleared vil but her prize at this point has no black mark against it like yours. 

I believe there were 2 prizes each day, but those prizes didn't have to be won by villagers

A wolf winning a prize just means a villager doesn't

Do you not think there would be a prize to help a wolf if they won? If Countess is telling the truth it would mean both of us were given tainted prizes. The countess prize was deemed as valuable, so it's likely the wolves would get a similar one.

I reckon the prizes were already set before people won them and if a faithful/traitors picked the number with the prize behind it then they won that prize regardless of their alignment.

[Zeena Warrior Princess]

Seriously?, I'm not say countess is cleared vil but her prize at this point has no black mark against it like yours. 

I believe there were 2 prizes each day, but those prizes didn't have to be won by villagers

A wolf winning a prize just means a villager doesn't

Do you not think there would be a prize to help a wolf if they won? If Countess is telling the truth it would mean both of us were given tainted prizes. The countess prize was deemed as valuable, so it's likely the wolves would get a similar one.

I doubt there were wolf specific prizes as we have no roled villagers.

It is plausible something to hide them from village prize powers could be used.

[Gordon the Cook]

Day 1
Lilly (3): Friar[98], Dora[105], Edward[151]
Edward (3): Moe[107] , Weyland[114], William[138]
William (2): Zeena[104], Gordon[133]
Weyland (1): Lilly[96]
Dora (1): Countess[126]

Non-voters (1): Amy

Day 2
Edward (4): William[311], Weyland[322], Moe[323], Dora[360]
Dora (4): Friar[338], Gordon[341], Countess[344], Zeena[358]
Friar (1): Edward[333]
William (1): Amy[343]

day 3
dora: 3 : willliam, weyland, friar, countess
Friar: 2 : dora, gordon, zeena, moe

which leaves william weyland friar countess gordon zeena and moe

And since we are in end game, I shall revise my estimate of traitors up to 3.

friar is one.

so two in william weyland countess gordon zeena moe

that first kill is an oddity, and since zeena has ruled out a team shield, someone attempted to kill zeena.

if village, zeena has no reason to lie about this.
are traitors allowed to target themselves for murder? I'd answer no to this, which would clear zeena.

if it was a team shoeld, i'd be clearing zeena anyhow, so in my mind, if zeena is a traitor, I've lost any hopes at winning, well done traitor:zeena

so two in william weyland countess moe

out of them 4, i'd banish william and weyland and risk sharing the prize with zeena countess and moe.

[Countess Markievicz]

How much can we, or can we not, refer to communications with the moderator about the prize and its workings?

[Weyland the Blacksmith]

How much can we, or can we not, refer to communications with the moderator about the prize and its workings?

Usually we can talk about it but we cannot copy the PMs and post them here.

@Necro can verfiy for you

[Gordon the Cook]

How much can we, or can we not, refer to communications with the moderator about the prize and its workings?

as long as you use your own words, and not use any word for word description,  or include anything  that would prove you are being legitimate about your claim, you should be fine.

The rule is there so that you can't show us something that we can then use as proof that you received it from a mod. We should always have doubt. If you break that doubt, then you've probably overstepped what is allowable.

[Friar Tuck]

If there are 3 wolves Countess was open wolfing to get 3 villagers killed. Flip me, then her.

[Countess Markievicz]

OK, so a little bit of info that did not seem relevant before, but want to share. There are no roles in this game but before using my prize I asked if there were any powers that could interfere with my result. I was informed that there were no current powers that could interfere, so no, nothing could interfere. The word current was emphasised. This is why I chose to use the prize immediately N1.

I don’t think this helps much but I can think of a few wild scenarios that I’m simply considering gastard:
1. There is a interfering power, that scum won D1, and either targeted me (who had not claimed to have won anything), or targeted all prize-winners, which would simply suck. I highly doubt I was randomly selected to receive a fake result N1 so still firmly believe the information I received - that there is at least one traitor in the Lilly voters
2. There is an interfering power that scum won both Days and used on me N1 and Friar N2 which means we both got incorrect results. Again, improbable and gastard.
3. The prizes are junk and give incorrect results. Again, without a hint of misleading info or roles that return incorrect alignment, no willing to consider.

If we lose because the game is gastard, hmpf.

[Countess Markievicz]

If there are 3 wolves Countess was open wolfing to get 3 villagers killed. Flip me, then her.

I wish I had that much imagination and skill to invent such a ploy, thanks.

[Friar Tuck]

OK, so a little bit of info that did not seem relevant before, but want to share. There are no roles in this game but before using my prize I asked if there were any powers that could interfere with my result. I was informed that there were no current powers that could interfere, so no, nothing could interfere. The word current was emphasised. This is why I chose to use the prize immediately N1.

I don’t think this helps much but I can think of a few wild scenarios that I’m simply considering gastard:
1. There is a interfering power, that scum won D1, and either targeted me (who had not claimed to have won anything), or targeted all prize-winners, which would simply suck. I highly doubt I was randomly selected to receive a fake result N1 so still firmly believe the information I received - that there is at least one traitor in the Lilly voters
2. There is an interfering power that scum won both Days and used on me N1 and Friar N2 which means we both got incorrect results. Again, improbable and gastard.
3. The prizes are junk and give incorrect results. Again, without a hint of misleading info or roles that return incorrect alignment, no willing to consider.

If we lose because the game is gastard, hmpf.

It's a bit odd that you thought to ask that. Scratch that, it's very odd.
What is gastard?

[Gordon the Cook]

OK, so a little bit of info that did not seem relevant before, but want to share. There are no roles in this game but before using my prize I asked if there were any powers that could interfere with my result. I was informed that there were no current powers that could interfere, so no, nothing could interfere. The word current was emphasised. This is why I chose to use the prize immediately N1.

I don’t think this helps much but I can think of a few wild scenarios that I’m simply considering gastard:
1. There is a interfering power, that scum won D1, and either targeted me (who had not claimed to have won anything), or targeted all prize-winners, which would simply suck. I highly doubt I was randomly selected to receive a fake result N1 so still firmly believe the information I received - that there is at least one traitor in the Lilly voters
2. There is an interfering power that scum won both Days and used on me N1 and Friar N2 which means we both got incorrect results. Again, improbable and gastard.
3. The prizes are junk and give incorrect results. Again, without a hint of misleading info or roles that return incorrect alignment, no willing to consider.

If we lose because the game is gastard, hmpf.

It's a bit odd that you thought to ask that. Scratch that, it's very odd.
What is gastard?

 a misspelling of bastard.
that's when info that the mod tells you in not true.

[Gordon the Cook]

It's a bit odd that you thought to ask that. Scratch that, it's very odd.
What is gastard?

 a misspelling of bastard.
that's when info that the mod tells you in not true.

*that's when info that the mod tells you is not true.*

[Countess Markievicz]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bastard_Mod

I always ask questions about powers if it’s not spelled out in the PM. I needed to understand if I could trust the results 100% and actually asked for confirmation that there was no role that could interfere, above was a paraphrase of the exchange, to avoid breaking rules.

[Gordon the Cook]

i've no reason to believe this is a bastard game.

I'd expect a bastard game to be advertised as such.

Friar lied about dora moving, they had to. they are traitor.

countess believing friar is village is unsettling, but i think it assures me they are not traitor. just believing friar as they are a good liar.

[Countess Markievicz]

Oh I don’t believe he’s a villager, I’m 100% sure he’s a traitor. Since the topic of interference came up, I shared the info I had.

[Friar Tuck]

I'm not lying, I got a false result. There are no wolves in the 3 of us who voted for Lilly.

[Countess Markievicz]

I'm not lying, I got a false result. There are no wolves in the 3 of us who voted for Lilly.

We’ll know for sure in about 90 minutes.

[Gordon the Cook]

I'm not lying, I got a false result. There are no wolves in the 3 of us who voted for Lilly.

if you flip village, then the 3 villagers will vote countess and 3 traitors will vote elsewhere. the game will be decided on a coin flip. whomever wins that coin flip will win the game, as then they will be able to force the win.

[Necro]

Voting is now OPEN

[Necro]

William the Grave Robber casts a proxy vote for Friar Tuck

[Necro]

Countess Markievicz casts a proxy vote for Friar Tuck

[Gordon the Cook]

Day 1
Lilly (3): Friar[98], Dora[105], Edward[151]
Edward (3): Moe[107] , Weyland[114], William[138]
William (2): Zeena[104], Gordon[133]
Weyland (1): Lilly[96]
Dora (1): Countess[126]

Non-voters (1): Amy

Day 2
Edward (4): William[311], Weyland[322], Moe[323], Dora[360]
Dora (4): Friar[338], Gordon[341], Countess[344], Zeena[358]
Friar (1): Edward[333]
William (1): Amy[343]

day 3
dora: 3 : willliam, weyland, friar, countess
Friar: 2 : dora, gordon, zeena, moe

which leaves william weyland friar countess gordon zeena and moe

And since we are in end game, I shall revise my estimate of traitors up to 3.

friar is one.

so two in william weyland countess gordon zeena moe

that first kill is an oddity, and since zeena has ruled out a team shield, someone attempted to kill zeena.

if village, zeena has no reason to lie about this.
are traitors allowed to target themselves for murder? I'd answer no to this, which would clear zeena.

if it was a team shoeld, i'd be clearing zeena anyhow, so in my mind, if zeena is a traitor, I've lost any hopes at winning, well done traitor:zeena

so two in william weyland countess moe

out of them 4, i'd banish william and weyland and risk sharing the prize with zeena countess and moe.

ah, with all the information given, I've figured out night 1 kill.

zeena's clear disolves away.

zeena has said they could shield anyone.
So, they shielded someone else, and murderized that person, making for our wierd night 1 kill.
they sacrifised night 1 murder in order to make zeena all shiney and villagery.

zeena is traitor, i don't know why else we would have the odd night 1 murder save.