(03-10-2021, 07:42 AM)Trigger Wrote: The thread will then re-open at 5pm Monday and the day 1 phase will begin with munch at 6pm and end with lynch closing at 9pm with a 1 hour twilight period after this to allow for discussion. Night phase begins at 9pm each night. Lynch Announcements take place at 10pm as the thread closes.

(03-10-2021, 05:12 PM)lorcand1990 Wrote: I've only plyed one evening game but yeah I found it a bit more intense than the all day ones.. Needs people to be active in the time available though

My read on Jan is that she either needs 2 hits to kill, or else can regen into another player once killed

(03-10-2021, 05:15 PM)Leg End Reject Wrote: I don't think wolves ever see PMs for other players until the game is over. What do you mean by cop+hidden doc strategy?

(03-10-2021, 05:21 PM)guirienespana Wrote:

(03-10-2021, 05:15 PM)Leg End Reject Wrote: I don't think wolves ever see PMs for other players until the game is over. What do you mean by cop+hidden doc strategy?

Well, if there are 5 villagers with the exact same vanilla PM, there might be a way to do a handshake and confirm each other. If the wolves have a copy of the PM, then it’s out of the question.

We know there’s a cop and a doc, the cop could claim, the doc would then protect them every Night, and guarantee a few results. The cop would be safe while the wolves hunt the doc. If there’s a cop counter-claim, we’ll then there’s a 50-50 chance of catching a wolf.

(03-10-2021, 05:12 PM)lorcand1990 Wrote: My read on Jan is that she either needs 2 hits to kill, or else can regen into another player once killed

(03-10-2021, 05:21 PM)guirienespana Wrote:

(03-10-2021, 05:15 PM)Leg End Reject Wrote: I don't think wolves ever see PMs for other players until the game is over. What do you mean by cop+hidden doc strategy?

Well, if there are 5 villagers with the exact same vanilla PM, there might be a way to do a handshake and confirm each other. If the wolves have a copy of the PM, then it’s out of the question.

We know there’s a cop and a doc, the cop could claim, the doc would then protect them every Night, and guarantee a few results. The cop would be safe while the wolves hunt the doc. If there’s a cop counter-claim, we’ll then there’s a 50-50 chance of catching a wolf.

(03-10-2021, 05:21 PM)guirienespana Wrote:

(03-10-2021, 05:15 PM)Leg End Reject Wrote: I don't think wolves ever see PMs for other players until the game is over. What do you mean by cop+hidden doc strategy?

Well, if there are 5 villagers with the exact same vanilla PM, there might be a way to do a handshake and confirm each other. If the wolves have a copy of the PM, then it’s out of the question.

We know there’s a cop and a doc, the cop could claim, the doc would then protect them every Night, and guarantee a few results. The cop would be safe while the wolves hunt the doc. If there’s a cop counter-claim, we’ll then there’s a 50-50 chance of catching a wolf.

(03-10-2021, 05:26 PM)Leg End Reject Wrote: Rule 4 bans discussing or alluding to PMs.

(03-10-2021, 05:28 PM)lorcand1990 Wrote:

(03-10-2021, 05:21 PM)guirienespana Wrote: Well, if there are 5 villagers with the exact same vanilla PM, there might be a way to do a handshake and confirm each other. If the wolves have a copy of the PM, then it’s out of the question.

We know there’s a cop and a doc, the cop could claim, the doc would then protect them every Night, and guarantee a few results. The cop would be safe while the wolves hunt the doc. If there’s a cop counter-claim, we’ll then there’s a 50-50 chance of catching a wolf.

I think i'm getting slightly confused by the roles you mention.. do you call the seer the cop & the bodyguard the doc?

From the OP we have a seer, a bodyguard & a vig

(03-10-2021, 05:28 PM)LadySkunk Wrote:

(03-10-2021, 05:21 PM)guirienespana Wrote: Well, if there are 5 villagers with the exact same vanilla PM, there might be a way to do a handshake and confirm each other. If the wolves have a copy of the PM, then it’s out of the question.

We know there’s a cop and a doc, the cop could claim, the doc would then protect them every Night, and guarantee a few results. The cop would be safe while the wolves hunt the doc. If there’s a cop counter-claim, we’ll then there’s a 50-50 chance of catching a wolf.

You said about a mass claim as well a few posts ago. It totally defeats the purpose of the game and takes away the fun of it.

Also why are you talking about the vig outting themself so soon. Most games I’ve played in the bodyguard can only protect one different player each night so by your thinking, the vig gets protected for one night and then is dead. That’s a terrible idea

(03-10-2021, 05:30 PM)guirienespana Wrote:

(03-10-2021, 05:26 PM)Leg End Reject Wrote: Rule 4 bans discussing or alluding to PMs.

Oh, I figured that was related to general PMs between the mods and players, surely when a player claims a role, or a character, or shares how their power works, they are effectively breaking your interpretation of rule 4?

(03-10-2021, 05:28 PM)LadySkunk Wrote:

(03-10-2021, 05:21 PM)guirienespana Wrote: Well, if there are 5 villagers with the exact same vanilla PM, there might be a way to do a handshake and confirm each other. If the wolves have a copy of the PM, then it’s out of the question.

We know there’s a cop and a doc, the cop could claim, the doc would then protect them every Night, and guarantee a few results. The cop would be safe while the wolves hunt the doc. If there’s a cop counter-claim, we’ll then there’s a 50-50 chance of catching a wolf.

You said about a mass claim as well a few posts ago. It totally defeats the purpose of the game and takes away the fun of it.

Also why are you talking about the vig outting themself so soon. Most games I’ve played in the bodyguard can only protect one different player each night so by your thinking, the vig gets protected for one night and then is dead. That’s a terrible idea

(03-10-2021, 05:33 PM)Leg End Reject Wrote:

(03-10-2021, 05:30 PM)guirienespana Wrote: Oh, I figured that was related to general PMs between the mods and players, surely when a player claims a role, or a character, or shares how their power works, they are effectively breaking your interpretation of rule 4?

Possibly, but if NRVs all manage to allude to that and the wolves pick up on it that'll just make the RVs targets.

(03-10-2021, 05:37 PM)lorcand1990 Wrote: yeah I don't think we should be mass claiming, i don't even know if it's in the spirit of the game, but i'm just gonna tease out how it would go

we out our 3 big roles (I preseume roles would ust say they are roled rather than who they are?) & then we have to hope the bg protects the right person 1st munch.  Even if they do then the next night we def lose that person. Very risky

Wolves will claim NRVs so that means we will have 3 cleared roled players & then the 3 wolves are definitely in the batch of 8 players, better odds then 3 in 11 but we've given up our most important players

(03-10-2021, 05:35 PM)guirienespana Wrote:

(03-10-2021, 05:28 PM)LadySkunk Wrote: You said about a mass claim as well a few posts ago. It totally defeats the purpose of the game and takes away the fun of it.

Also why are you talking about the vig outting themself so soon. Most games I’ve played in the bodyguard can only protect one different player each night so by your thinking, the vig gets protected for one night and then is dead. That’s a terrible idea

I understand your perspective. I don’t think discussion is bad, I don’t think strategizing goes against the purpose of the game, effectively these things can happen naturally during the game, so if it’s possible to bring forward to D1, village is better off.
In most games I’ve played there are no limitations on the targets of a bodyguard so it’s just an idea, neither terrible nor brilliant.
If you prefer, we can discuss The Office characters and just fluff about.

(03-10-2021, 05:42 PM)LadySkunk Wrote: No I don’t think strategising is bad at all but I do think it’s odd when someone on the day before the game even starts properly is talking about 1) a mass reveal and 2) Outting RVs straight off the bat

(03-10-2021, 05:41 PM)guirienespana Wrote:

(03-10-2021, 05:37 PM)lorcand1990 Wrote: yeah I don't think we should be mass claiming, i don't even know if it's in the spirit of the game, but i'm just gonna tease out how it would go

we out our 3 big roles (I preseume roles would ust say they are roled rather than who they are?) & then we have to hope the bg protects the right person 1st munch.  Even if they do then the next night we def lose that person. Very risky

Wolves will claim NRVs so that means we will have 3 cleared roled players & then the 3 wolves are definitely in the batch of 8 players, better odds then 3 in 11 but we've given up our most important players

Well, it’s moot now, if the rb must change target every Night, but my first suggestion was only for the Seer to claim. The Bodyguard would remain hidden along the other 7 villagers.

My second suggestion would require just two nrvs to handshake, and only if successful, would we consider extending it.

(03-10-2021, 05:51 PM)Leg End Reject Wrote: What if the bg is lynched or munched though? That would be the end of the seer.

I don't understand the handshake thing at all.

(03-10-2021, 06:08 PM)guirienespana Wrote:

(03-10-2021, 05:51 PM)Leg End Reject Wrote: What if the bg is lynched or munched though? That would be the end of the seer.

I don't understand the handshake thing at all.

Well, I’d presume that the bg would claim before being lynched so votes can be moved to another candidate. And of course, if they’re munched at least we’d get one more Seer result. The wolves have a 1/8 chance of munching the Seer, they would have a 1/7 chance of munching the bg, while the Seer does his or her thing. Anyway, if you believe the bg cannot protect the same player on consecutive Nights, it’s moot.

As for the handshake, the hypothesis is that all NRVs have the same role PM word-for-word, and that wolves do not have a copy of that role PM. So if nrvs have information that is unique to them, matching words, letters, phrases or hashes can allow them to form a core of confirmed villagers…

I note that my first post actually excluded both of these options given the lack of information available to us about the wolves’ powers and availability of the nrv role PM.

(03-10-2021, 06:14 PM)Leg End Reject Wrote:

(03-10-2021, 06:08 PM)guirienespana Wrote: Well, I’d presume that the bg would claim before being lynched so votes can be moved to another candidate. And of course, if they’re munched at least we’d get one more Seer result. The wolves have a 1/8 chance of munching the Seer, they would have a 1/7 chance of munching the bg, while the Seer does his or her thing. Anyway, if you believe the bg cannot protect the same player on consecutive Nights, it’s moot.

As for the handshake, the hypothesis is that all NRVs have the same role PM word-for-word, and that wolves do not have a copy of that role PM. So if nrvs have information that is unique to them, matching words, letters, phrases or hashes can allow them to form a core of confirmed villagers…

I note that my first post actually excluded both of these options given the lack of information available to us about the wolves’ powers and availability of the nrv role PM.

That would be 2 RVs gone almost immediately.

If NRVs try to identify each other it's likely the wolves will spot it, then by a process of elimination they'll identify any hidden RVs.

We might as well just give the game to the wolves if we play like that.

(03-10-2021, 06:14 PM)Leg End Reject Wrote:

(03-10-2021, 06:08 PM)guirienespana Wrote: Well, I’d presume that the bg would claim before being lynched so votes can be moved to another candidate. And of course, if they’re munched at least we’d get one more Seer result. The wolves have a 1/8 chance of munching the Seer, they would have a 1/7 chance of munching the bg, while the Seer does his or her thing. Anyway, if you believe the bg cannot protect the same player on consecutive Nights, it’s moot.

As for the handshake, the hypothesis is that all NRVs have the same role PM word-for-word, and that wolves do not have a copy of that role PM. So if nrvs have information that is unique to them, matching words, letters, phrases or hashes can allow them to form a core of confirmed villagers…

I note that my first post actually excluded both of these options given the lack of information available to us about the wolves’ powers and availability of the nrv role PM.

That would be 2 RVs gone almost immediately.

If NRVs try to identify each other it's likely the wolves will spot it, then by a process of elimination they'll identify any hidden RVs.

We might as well just give the game to the wolves if we play like that.

(03-10-2021, 06:25 PM)nothing Wrote: Any game I've played/ran, the PMs are copy/paste across everyone, with a few extra lines for RV and wolves, so not sure that secret communication would work unfortunately. It's an interesting idea, all the same.

Definitely don't think RVs should be coming out unless they're in trouble or have useful information. Not worth losing them too quickly.

(03-10-2021, 06:35 PM)guirienespana Wrote:

(03-10-2021, 06:25 PM)nothing Wrote: Any game I've played/ran, the PMs are copy/paste across everyone, with a few extra lines for RV and wolves, so not sure that secret communication would work unfortunately. It's an interesting idea, all the same.

Definitely don't think RVs should be coming out unless they're in trouble or have useful information. Not worth losing them too quickly.

And they must not fake their results, without having a very good reason, please!