(18-01-2023, 12:45 PM)Countess Markievicz Wrote:

(13-01-2023, 07:09 PM)Necro Wrote: 9) Daily competitions will run on Monday and Tuesday where players will be split into random teams. A prize or prizes will be on offer for the winners. Further information to follow in the morning announcements regarding this.

(16-01-2023, 11:07 AM)Necro Wrote: The team with the most correct answers will win the competition and an opportunity to earn a prize for themselves.. or possibly even the team. In the event of a tie the team captains scores will decide the winner.
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Team 2s captain today is Zeena Warrior Princess.

(16-01-2023, 07:03 PM)Necro Wrote: All players must now select a number between 1 and 5 on thread. The winning player(s) will then be PMed their prize.

(17-01-2023, 11:07 AM)Necro Wrote: [snip]Team 2: Friar Tuck

From the very start the moderator talks about prize or prizes, prize for an individual player or even the team. Note how Zeena was team captain D1 and won a prize, Friar was team captain D2 and won a prize - were they "team prizes"? My prize made no mention of the team.

You're totally barking up the wrong tree, but cannot tell if it's scummy misdirection or just wrong.

(18-01-2023, 12:29 PM)Friar Tuck Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 12:27 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: Oh it’s a full stop, not a comma, i don’t have my glasses on. So you are fully onboard now with two traitors now?

I never suggested there was only 2, but at least 2 seems more likely than just 1.
It was William who claimed there was 2. Maybe that was a slip.

(18-01-2023, 01:10 PM)Friar Tuck Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 12:52 PM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: By that logic you can add me and Weyland to your list
Anything else why you think it's William?

Dora thought she could start a wagon on her yesterday and then was left with no choice but to jump on Edward at the last minute.

(18-01-2023, 12:21 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 12:12 PM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: Yeah for me it has to be Friar or Dora, either way I think we will find a cleared villager or a traitor.
I still think there were 2 prizes each day given we don't have any rolled villagers. I wouldn't necessarly jump on Countess if Friar flips triator

We were promised a simple game. Competitions, and shields for prizes. These so called 2nd prizes are all a fictional ruze by the traitors, and they have you all believing them. 
friar first, and when that proves 2nd prizes are fantasy, they’ll have to recruit to make back they’re numbers, but no villager would join that sinking team, so we kill the sole traitor, countess, the next day, game over, we win. 👀👀

(18-01-2023, 01:45 PM)Countess Markievicz Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 12:21 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: We were promised a simple game. Competitions, and shields for prizes. These so called 2nd prizes are all a fictional ruze by the traitors, and they have you all believing them. 
friar first, and when that proves 2nd prizes are fantasy, they’ll have to recruit to make back they’re numbers, but no villager would join that sinking team, so we kill the sole traitor, countess, the next day, game over, we win. 👀👀

My two posts above were a response to this. Mod never mentioned shields for prizes. Necro does mention both individual and team prizes, and regularly mentions “prize(s)” and “winner(s)” which in no way excludes multiple prizes per day as Gordon tries to imply.

(18-01-2023, 01:52 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 01:45 PM)Countess Markievicz Wrote: My two posts above were a response to this. Mod never mentioned shields for prizes. Necro does mention both individual and team prizes, and regularly mentions “prize(s)” and “winner(s)” which in no way excludes multiple prizes per day as Gordon tries to imply.

For a moment, just ignore my rambling re: you, and let me know what you think about friar knowing the player being William account being female. Is that common knowledge that I’m just not picking up on?

(18-01-2023, 01:53 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 01:52 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: For a moment, just ignore my rambling re: you, and let me know what you think about friar knowing the player being William account being female. Is that common knowledge that I’m just not picking up on?

*there players behind William account *

(18-01-2023, 01:52 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 01:45 PM)Countess Markievicz Wrote: My two posts above were a response to this. Mod never mentioned shields for prizes. Necro does mention both individual and team prizes, and regularly mentions “prize(s)” and “winner(s)” which in no way excludes multiple prizes per day as Gordon tries to imply.

For a moment, just ignore my rambling re: you, and let me know what you think about friar knowing the player being William account being female. Is that common knowledge that I’m just not picking up on?

(18-01-2023, 01:59 PM)Countess Markievicz Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 01:52 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: For a moment, just ignore my rambling re: you, and let me know what you think about friar knowing the player being William account being female. Is that common knowledge that I’m just not picking up on?

I did not pick up on that at all, was waiting for him to explain himself about the "her", and no, I don't think it's common knowledge if that's the case.

(18-01-2023, 01:27 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 01:10 PM)Friar Tuck Wrote: Dora thought she could start a wagon on her yesterday and then was left with no choice but to jump on Edward at the last minute.

Who are you referring to when you use the pronoun ‘her’? I’m struggling to figure it out, so can you assist me.

(18-01-2023, 02:08 PM)Friar Tuck Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 01:27 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: Who are you referring to when you use the pronoun ‘her’? I’m struggling to figure it out, so can you assist me.

Typo.

It should have said Dora thought she could start a wagon on me.

(17-01-2023, 03:27 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote: I'm also rather skeptical about Countess and their prize. I mean it would be a very solid play by a wolf because by the time you've been caught 3 villagers could be banished. Obviously I know me being suspicious about it is hardly going to convince too many people because I'm in the three they've said has at least one wolf.

(17-01-2023, 03:36 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote:

(17-01-2023, 03:29 PM)Edward the Barber Wrote: the scale goes from 100% village to 100% wolf on average you have been wolf all game to me 

i dodnt vote you and i'm not suggesting voting you so please just play the game and dont take it personally, maybe help to solve more .

i assume that you think either friar or i am a wolf based on what the countess has said ?

is it me or is it friar?
if its me grand we flip me but you do not vote for me and friar dosent vote for me , 
when we get a reposrt on vote analysis back we can then add that data, you or friar voting for me wiould spoil that data,

so do you agree

It's not personal, I just think you are mischaracterising your views on me yesterday and I want others to see that too rather than just take what you are saying today as being the truth.

I don't think it is either of you at the minute. I'm more suspicious of Countess. 

Do you think that we'll get this "vote tracker" every night (if it even exists)?

(17-01-2023, 04:27 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote:

(17-01-2023, 04:22 PM)Edward the Barber Wrote: And if ymwe blindly follow it we die As in if there are no wolves on lilly then we lose as three misslynches would be enough

That's why I think there's a good chance the countess is lying.

(17-01-2023, 06:16 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote:

(17-01-2023, 06:08 PM)Countess Markievicz Wrote: I never said I was cleared, just shared the info I had as soon as I could and suggested the prize would be useless to traitors.

My preference would be to banish Dora today, as I have the strongest scum lean in her, and that would at least prove my power if she’s traitor. If not, sure, banish me to prove I’m telling the truth.

I really dislike the word scum in this game but that aside your "power" would not be proved given I'm not a traitor.

If you are telling the truth I'd probably lean towards Edward not being the traitor. I think a traitor would have, like myself, tried to cast doubt on your claim rather than accept it and say that they should be the one of the three lynched first. Despite what I think are some micharacterisations of their views yesterday I'd probably lean towards them being village. That would place the Friar in my sights.

So my two main candidates for a vote tonight are you and the Friar, depending on how I feel later on about the likelihood of your claim. I'm currently leaning towards voting for you.

(17-01-2023, 06:47 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote:

(17-01-2023, 06:38 PM)Friar Tuck Wrote: I was asked what I thought of the claim, you came straight out to refute it. How are you twisting that to claim I'm a traitor?

I'm not twisting anything Friar. I said that I don't really believe Countess and am likely going to vote for them. However, I may be wrong and if I am either you and/or Edward is a traitor. I am currently inclined to believe Edward is not a traitor. That leaves me with either you or the Countess.

If the Countess is telling the truth then my order of suspicion is you and then Edward. If the Countess is lying then they're a traitor and neither of you are likely to be one.

(18-01-2023, 02:21 PM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: The typo makes sense to me too, William wasn't in the running to be lynched

However I don't think frier really answered my original question with the response? I asked why William seems more like a traitor and the answer was that dora tried to start a wagon on frier?

(18-01-2023, 11:41 AM)Friar Tuck Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 11:37 AM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: You said you announced the prize yesterday to stop someone else claiming. Was that really the reason or was it to give yourself a better chance to survive the lynch?

By claiming and refusing to say what it was I made myself a possible lynch candidate. Dora tried to get others to vote for me and only jumped on Edward in the last minute to save herself. She claimed to know Edward was definitely village too.

(18-01-2023, 11:50 AM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 11:22 AM)Dora the Explorer Wrote: Well I didn't murder anyone and no one in their right mind would have protected me. There weren't any other announced prizes so it is definitely a lie. My vote is locked in now. I no longer doubt your claim from the first day. You may still be a wolf but that seems unlikely. Friar is a traitor. Case closed.

Whether you're a traitor or not, it is not case closed

Obviously you'll say Friar is a traitor, who else do you think is on their team?

(18-01-2023, 11:10 AM)Countess Markievicz Wrote: Day 1
Lilly (3): Friar[98], Dora[105], Edward[151]
Edward (3): Moe[107] , Weyland[114], William[138]
William (2): Zeena[104], Gordon[133]
Weyland (1): Lilly[96]
Dora (1): Countess[126]

Non-voters (1): Amy

Day 2
Edward (4): William[311], Weyland[322], Moe[323], Dora[360]
Dora (4): Friar[338], Gordon[341], Countess[344], Zeena[358]
Friar (1): Edward[333]
William (1): Amy[343]

@Friar Tuck anything to share?

(18-01-2023, 03:09 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 11:41 AM)Friar Tuck Wrote: By claiming and refusing to say what it was I made myself a possible lynch candidate. Dora tried to get others to vote for me and only jumped on Edward in the last minute to save herself. She claimed to know Edward was definitely village too.

That's a lie Friar. I never claimed to know Edward was definitely village. I can get you all the posts to prove that if you'd like. I didn't think Edward was a traitor, I think that was fairly clear from last night. Never once did I claim to know they were village. I know I'm village and that's it.

(18-01-2023, 03:11 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 11:50 AM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote: Whether you're a traitor or not, it is not case closed

Obviously you'll say Friar is a traitor, who else do you think is on their team?

Sorry I meant case closed for me. Friar is definitely a traitor. I still had a doubt about Countess but the Friar lying about the trip wire means that for me I know Friar is a traitor. There is no other possible reason for Friar to lie. Me getting banished first keeps the traitor numbers higher for one more turn anyway.

(18-01-2023, 03:16 PM)Friar Tuck Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 03:09 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote: That's a lie Friar. I never claimed to know Edward was definitely village. I can get you all the posts to prove that if you'd like. I didn't think Edward was a traitor, I think that was fairly clear from last night. Never once did I claim to know they were village. I know I'm village and that's it.

You stated several times you thought he was a villager yet you still voted for him. Why didn't you put an early vote on me when you spent a lot of time throwing shade at me? I voted early for you because if I had been banished I'd have flipped village and you'd be firmly on the hook so the village would still have a result.

(18-01-2023, 03:21 PM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 03:11 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote: Sorry I meant case closed for me. Friar is definitely a traitor. I still had a doubt about Countess but the Friar lying about the trip wire means that for me I know Friar is a traitor. There is no other possible reason for Friar to lie. Me getting banished first keeps the traitor numbers higher for one more turn anyway.

Ok & can you explain a countess & friar team. Why countess?

(18-01-2023, 03:47 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 03:16 PM)Friar Tuck Wrote: You stated several times you thought he was a villager yet you still voted for him. Why didn't you put an early vote on me when you spent a lot of time throwing shade at me? I voted early for you because if I had been banished I'd have flipped village and you'd be firmly on the hook so the village would still have a result.

Yes Friar I thought he was village, never claimed that he was definitely village as you said before. I didn't put an early vote on you because I didn't know whether I should believe Countess or not. I was still considering voting for the Countess but you'd have been my preferred choice. I voted for Edward because a choice between a probably faithful and a definite faithful (in my eyes) isn't a choice.

(18-01-2023, 03:50 PM)Friar Tuck Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 03:47 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote: Yes Friar I thought he was village, never claimed that he was definitely village as you said before. I didn't put an early vote on you because I didn't know whether I should believe Countess or not. I was still considering voting for the Countess but you'd have been my preferred choice. I voted for Edward because a choice between a probably faithful and a definite faithful (in my eyes) isn't a choice.

So you considered voting for Countess even though I was your preferred choice but then voted Edward save yourself? Why not just vote for me?

(18-01-2023, 03:56 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 03:50 PM)Friar Tuck Wrote: So you considered voting for Countess even though I was your preferred choice but then voted Edward save yourself? Why not just vote for me?

Yes, I did consider voting for Countess. Clearly no-one else did so it would have been a waste. Had I voted for you I'd be dead now. Now that I know Edward was a faithful ultimately it wouldn't make a difference to the village because instead of me there'd be Edward. I waited to vote because I thought (rightly) that I might be in danger and (wrongly) that others might think you were a wolf and then I'd vote for you.

Quote:How would you feel about you and I going up against each other if the others agree?

(18-01-2023, 04:16 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote: How would you being banished have really helped the village? You had this brilliant trip wire prize? If you got banished you wouldn't have been able to share the results. I'd be glad for the two of us to be the candidates for the banishment because you're a traitor and I'm not. I think the others will see that.

If everyone could look at the above statement "I've just voted for who I thought was a wolf and didn't hang back to see where others were going either night, but then me being banished could only have helped the village last night as you, Countess, Edward and I were the ones with the question mark over us". If Friar was a villager how would their banishment have helped the village? It would have narrowed down the pool of suspects sure but so would banishing Edward (which we have done). So assuming Friar is a villager there is no difference between them and Edward being banished. However, thinking further on that it would've been worse if Friar was banished because he would be a villager with a prize versus Edward who didn't have a prize. We would have been losing a prize for almost no gain.

Now if you were a villager and you had a prize that could detect movement why in the name of all that is holy would you put in on me? There are two of us left in the three Lily voters and most people seemed to think that the Countess was telling the truth. What is there to gain from putting it on me? If you detected motion it would've been your word against mine as it is now, so why put it on me? If Countess is telling the truth (and I believe they are about there being a traitor on the lily voters) would it not have made more sense to try to detect motion on literally anyone else? One of the two of us would be lynched and if they were faithful then the other was going to be lynched. The village had nothing to gain from you detecting me.

(18-01-2023, 04:28 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote:

Quote:How would you feel about you and I going up against each other if the others agree?

What in the world did you think was going on today?

(18-01-2023, 04:29 PM)Friar Tuck Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 04:16 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote: How would you being banished have really helped the village? You had this brilliant trip wire prize? If you got banished you wouldn't have been able to share the results. I'd be glad for the two of us to be the candidates for the banishment because you're a traitor and I'm not. I think the others will see that.

If everyone could look at the above statement "I've just voted for who I thought was a wolf and didn't hang back to see where others were going either night, but then me being banished could only have helped the village last night as you, Countess, Edward and I were the ones with the question mark over us". If Friar was a villager how would their banishment have helped the village? It would have narrowed down the pool of suspects sure but so would banishing Edward (which we have done). So assuming Friar is a villager there is no difference between them and Edward being banished. However, thinking further on that it would've been worse if Friar was banished because he would be a villager with a prize versus Edward who didn't have a prize. We would have been losing a prize for almost no gain.

Now if you were a villager and you had a prize that could detect movement why in the name of all that is holy would you put in on me? There are two of us left in the three Lily voters and most people seemed to think that the Countess was telling the truth. What is there to gain from putting it on me? If you detected motion it would've been your word against mine as it is now, so why put it on me? If Countess is telling the truth (and I believe they are about there being a traitor on the lily voters) would it not have made more sense to try to detect motion on literally anyone else? One of the two of us would be lynched and if they were faithful then the other was going to be lynched. The village had nothing to gain from you detecting me.

You spent yesterday throwing shade at me, if I had been banished you would be next after I flipped village. Edward was stirring the pot and would have been more likely to rattle any remaining wolves when you were banished. The trip wire proved my point, why the hell would I use it on someone I don't have a strong wolf lean for? That would make as much sense as me being your preferred choice but you saying you were going to vote for Countess.

(18-01-2023, 04:37 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote:

(18-01-2023, 04:29 PM)Friar Tuck Wrote: You spent yesterday throwing shade at me, if I had been banished you would be next after I flipped village. Edward was stirring the pot and would have been more likely to rattle any remaining wolves when you were banished. The trip wire proved my point, why the hell would I use it on someone I don't have a strong wolf lean for? That would make as much sense as me being your preferred choice but you saying you were going to vote for Countess.

You've just said there that I would be next after you "flipped village". So there would be no need for you to put a trip wire on me because in your mind I was going to be banished anyway. You'd put a trip wire on someone else to hopefully catch them doing something. You could have used it on anyone else, didn't have to be a wolf lean. You've put the trip wire on the one person in the game that was almost guaranteed to be banished if you flipped village. It would've been no benefit to the village because I'd be dead anyway. The confirmation would've been you flipping village, you wouldn't have needed a trip wire.

(18-01-2023, 04:50 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote: But why would anyone believe you? It is me v you anyway. And if you were a villager you know that your death would bring about mine anyway so why not use the trip wire to give the village some other information? If anyone believes the trip wire story from someone clearly trying to save themselves I just don't know any more. You've been caught in the three voters for Lily and this is your attempt and prolonging things.

What are you going to say tonight if I get banished? Oh that motion must have meant something else going on that Dora wasn't telling us about? Or are you going to try to say that Countess is lying about there being a traitor in the lily voters.

Bookmark this for tomorrow folks - I have not won a prize and no-one in there right mind would've tried to shield me yesterday. Someone else probably would've already told us that they did something to me last night to trip a wire but they haven't so it is fairly certain that no-one used a prize on me. I am not a traitor and not a convert so I didn't do anything nefarious - which would be proved be me flipping faithful. So the Friar's only play is to try to convince you all that Countess is lying. Now  Countess may be lying but they are definitely correct about there being a traitor on the Lily voters. I know Friar is lying about the motion so don't let them away with trying to push blame to Countess. So if you do banish me tonight just auto banish Friar afterwards please?

I don't know the numbers behind it but banishing me first keeps the traitors at their full complement for another day so I'd much rather we get rid of Friar first but if I die first at least you'll be certain that Friar is a traitor.

(18-01-2023, 05:27 PM)Dora the Explorer Wrote: Well I can be 100% about yours Friar because it is a lie.

So you think the Countess won a prize. If they're telling the truth then there is a traitor in the lily voters and tripping me makes almost no sense other than as an excuse to try to save yourself for one more day.

If Countess is lying about the prize why are they lying? Frankly the main reason to do so would be because you're a traitor. I can see someone lying about shielding to try to throw traitors off the scent but if a lie the claim from Countess would only have been made if they were a traitor. Therefore you probably would've tried to detect movement around the Countess. If you don't think Countess is telling the truth about the prize that is almost the same thing as accusing them of being a traitor as a villager would have no reason to make up that lie. So if you don't believe their prize why didn't you try to trip them up? Or can you come up with any reason why they'd have lied about their prize?