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RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Moe the Innkeeper - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 11:18 AM)Weyland the Blacksmith Wrote: I think we need to go Friar and then depending on how he turns we might need to look at Countess.What do you expect frier to turn?
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Friar Tuck - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 11:19 AM)Countess Markievicz Wrote: This is not a gastard game, I was told at least one of Lilly’s voters is a traitor and we’ve seen two of them flip Faithful so I have zero doubt you are the traitor. But well played!And I was told motion was detected with Dora, so either the wolves won undeclared prizes or you're lying. We're at 5-2/4-3 now, kill me and you're left with 4-2/4-3. If you're being honest and you're killed after me that's 3-2/3/3.
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Weyland the Blacksmith - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 11:20 AM)Friar Tuck Wrote: Zeena 2 - shields claimed
Weyland
Friar - trip wire claimed
Countess - vote analysis claimed
Gordon
Could there have been 3 prizes and wolves won the others?
I can confirm I did not win a prize either day and I reckon if Gordon won a prize he would have said
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Weyland the Blacksmith - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 11:21 AM)Moe the Innkeeper Wrote:(19-01-2023, 11:18 AM)Weyland the Blacksmith Wrote: I think we need to go Friar and then depending on how he turns we might need to look at Countess.What do you expect frier to turn?
I still believe Countess so I expect a traitor when he flips
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Friar Tuck - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 11:29 AM)Weyland the Blacksmith Wrote:Well if either of you were a wolf you wouldn't declare it.(19-01-2023, 11:20 AM)Friar Tuck Wrote: Zeena 2 - shields claimed
Weyland
Friar - trip wire claimed
Countess - vote analysis claimed
Gordon
Could there have been 3 prizes and wolves won the others?
I can confirm I did not win a prize either day and I reckon if Gordon won a prize he would have said
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Zeena Warrior Princess - 19-01-2023
I dont think it is even up for discussion, we have to vote Friar and you would say the same thing if you were in our shoes.
It is highly unlikely there were 3 prizes given out among 5 players each day or even one of the days
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Friar Tuck - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 11:35 AM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: I dont think it is even up for discussion, we have to vote Friar and you would say the same thing if you were in our shoes.Some people questioned the liklihood of you winning the same prize on both days, so it is really that unlikely?
It is highly unlikely there were 3 prizes given out among 5 players each day or even one of the days
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Moe the Innkeeper - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 11:35 AM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: I dont think it is even up for discussion, we have to vote Friar and you would say the same thing if you were in our shoes.I agree it has to be frier. I spent enough of my mental energy yesterday trying to figure out their prize claims and I'm not entertaining it any more
It is highly unlikely there were 3 prizes given out among 5 players each day or even one of the days
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Zeena Warrior Princess - 19-01-2023
Again I don't totally understand the game in terms of end game, so with 7 players left, there most be 4 village and 3 wolves if end game starts before parity.
If the above is true, its almost certain 2 wolves if not all 3 voted Dora yesterday
At this moment, I would put Moe as the most village, he had a chance to vote Dora yesterday and it wouldn't really have thrown to much attention to him as we would still be looking at friar.
My read now is
Zeena - Vil
Moe - Vil
Gordon - probably vil
3 wolves here, ranked in the highest probability
Friar
William
Weyland
Countess
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Zeena Warrior Princess - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 11:37 AM)Friar Tuck Wrote:(19-01-2023, 11:35 AM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: I dont think it is even up for discussion, we have to vote Friar and you would say the same thing if you were in our shoes.Some people questioned the liklihood of you winning the same prize on both days, so it is really that unlikely?
It is highly unlikely there were 3 prizes given out among 5 players each day or even one of the days
I won 2 shields, one each day, what can I say, I was very lucky
No one else has claimed to have won shields
You won a prize and said nothing about it until the next day, just that you won a prize. You then accused Dora, who flipped faithful, of being a wolf because of your trip wire prize. Now you say someone else might have won a prize to sabotage yours. How many stories are you going to make up?
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Friar Tuck - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 11:49 AM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote:I'm trying to figure out how I got that result. Think about it, this is a perfect scenario for the wolves, we're killing villagers based on incorrect info.(19-01-2023, 11:37 AM)Friar Tuck Wrote: Some people questioned the liklihood of you winning the same prize on both days, so it is really that unlikely?
I won 2 shields, one each day, what can I say, I was very lucky
No one else has claimed to have won shields
You won a prize and said nothing about it until the next day, just that you won a prize. You then accused Dora, who flipped faithful, of being a wolf because of your trip wire prize. Now you say someone else might have won a prize to sabotage yours. How many stories are you going to make up?
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Zeena Warrior Princess - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 11:51 AM)Friar Tuck Wrote:(19-01-2023, 11:49 AM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: I won 2 shields, one each day, what can I say, I was very luckyI'm trying to figure out how I got that result. Think about it, this is a perfect scenario for the wolves, we're killing villagers based on incorrect info.
No one else has claimed to have won shields
You won a prize and said nothing about it until the next day, just that you won a prize. You then accused Dora, who flipped faithful, of being a wolf because of your trip wire prize. Now you say someone else might have won a prize to sabotage yours. How many stories are you going to make up?
But Friar, look at it from our pov today, are you really saying you would vote someone else if you were us?
I mean who else are we going to vote for first ahead of you?
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Friar Tuck - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 11:54 AM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote:If I accept you're honest about your prizes I'd vote for Countess because she declared a prize that will ultimately kill 3 villagers. The other option is to consider undeclared prizes won by wolves.(19-01-2023, 11:51 AM)Friar Tuck Wrote: I'm trying to figure out how I got that result. Think about it, this is a perfect scenario for the wolves, we're killing villagers based on incorrect info.
But Friar, look at it from our pov today, are you really saying you would vote someone else if you were us?
I mean who else are we going to vote for first ahead of you?
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Gordon the Cook - 19-01-2023
Zeena, was your first prize a team shield?
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Zeena Warrior Princess - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 11:57 AM)Friar Tuck Wrote:(19-01-2023, 11:54 AM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: But Friar, look at it from our pov today, are you really saying you would vote someone else if you were us?If I accept you're honest about your prizes I'd vote for Countess because she declared a prize that will ultimately kill 3 villagers. The other option is to consider undeclared prizes won by wolves.
I mean who else are we going to vote for first ahead of you?
Seriously?, I'm not say countess is cleared vil but her prize at this point has no black mark against it like yours.
I believe there were 2 prizes each day, but those prizes didn't have to be won by villagers
A wolf winning a prize just means a villager doesn't
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Gordon the Cook - 19-01-2023
There is no more murders, so there is no reason to hide any info about the shields any more.
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Friar Tuck - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 12:06 PM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote:Do you not think there would be a prize to help a wolf if they won? If Countess is telling the truth it would mean both of us were given tainted prizes. The countess prize was deemed as valuable, so it's likely the wolves would get a similar one.(19-01-2023, 11:57 AM)Friar Tuck Wrote: If I accept you're honest about your prizes I'd vote for Countess because she declared a prize that will ultimately kill 3 villagers. The other option is to consider undeclared prizes won by wolves.
Seriously?, I'm not say countess is cleared vil but her prize at this point has no black mark against it like yours.
I believe there were 2 prizes each day, but those prizes didn't have to be won by villagers
A wolf winning a prize just means a villager doesn't
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Zeena Warrior Princess - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 12:01 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: Zeena, was your first prize a team shield?
Both shields were the same
I could use it on myself or give it to someone
One piece of info I left out to protect myself a bit was that they had to be used the night I won them.
I used both on myself, Monday night and Tuesday night
I lied yesterday when I said I still had it, but in any case there were no more murders so it's redundant now
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Weyland the Blacksmith - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 12:10 PM)Friar Tuck Wrote:(19-01-2023, 12:06 PM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: Seriously?, I'm not say countess is cleared vil but her prize at this point has no black mark against it like yours.Do you not think there would be a prize to help a wolf if they won? If Countess is telling the truth it would mean both of us were given tainted prizes. The countess prize was deemed as valuable, so it's likely the wolves would get a similar one.
I believe there were 2 prizes each day, but those prizes didn't have to be won by villagers
A wolf winning a prize just means a villager doesn't
I reckon the prizes were already set before people won them and if a faithful/traitors picked the number with the prize behind it then they won that prize regardless of their alignment.
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Zeena Warrior Princess - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 12:10 PM)Friar Tuck Wrote:(19-01-2023, 12:06 PM)Zeena Warrior Princess Wrote: Seriously?, I'm not say countess is cleared vil but her prize at this point has no black mark against it like yours.Do you not think there would be a prize to help a wolf if they won? If Countess is telling the truth it would mean both of us were given tainted prizes. The countess prize was deemed as valuable, so it's likely the wolves would get a similar one.
I believe there were 2 prizes each day, but those prizes didn't have to be won by villagers
A wolf winning a prize just means a villager doesn't
I doubt there were wolf specific prizes as we have no roled villagers.
It is plausible something to hide them from village prize powers could be used.
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Gordon the Cook - 19-01-2023
Day 1
Lilly (3): Friar[98], Dora[105], Edward[151]
Edward (3): Moe[107] , Weyland[114], William[138]
William (2): Zeena[104], Gordon[133]
Weyland (1): Lilly[96]
Dora (1): Countess[126]
Non-voters (1): Amy
Day 2
Edward (4): William[311], Weyland[322], Moe[323], Dora[360]
Dora (4): Friar[338], Gordon[341], Countess[344], Zeena[358]
Friar (1): Edward[333]
William (1): Amy[343]
day 3
dora: 3 : willliam, weyland, friar, countess
Friar: 2 : dora, gordon, zeena, moe
which leaves william weyland friar countess gordon zeena and moe
And since we are in end game, I shall revise my estimate of traitors up to 3.
friar is one.
so two in william weyland countess gordon zeena moe
that first kill is an oddity, and since zeena has ruled out a team shield, someone attempted to kill zeena.
if village, zeena has no reason to lie about this.
are traitors allowed to target themselves for murder? I'd answer no to this, which would clear zeena.
if it was a team shoeld, i'd be clearing zeena anyhow, so in my mind, if zeena is a traitor, I've lost any hopes at winning, well done traitor:zeena
so two in william weyland countess moe
out of them 4, i'd banish william and weyland and risk sharing the prize with zeena countess and moe.
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Countess Markievicz - 19-01-2023
How much can we, or can we not, refer to communications with the moderator about the prize and its workings?
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Weyland the Blacksmith - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 12:50 PM)Countess Markievicz Wrote: How much can we, or can we not, refer to communications with the moderator about the prize and its workings?
Usually we can talk about it but we cannot copy the PMs and post them here.
@Necro can verfiy for you
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Gordon the Cook - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 12:50 PM)Countess Markievicz Wrote: How much can we, or can we not, refer to communications with the moderator about the prize and its workings?
as long as you use your own words, and not use any word for word description, or include anything that would prove you are being legitimate about your claim, you should be fine.
The rule is there so that you can't show us something that we can then use as proof that you received it from a mod. We should always have doubt. If you break that doubt, then you've probably overstepped what is allowable.
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Friar Tuck - 19-01-2023
If there are 3 wolves Countess was open wolfing to get 3 villagers killed. Flip me, then her.
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Countess Markievicz - 19-01-2023
OK, so a little bit of info that did not seem relevant before, but want to share. There are no roles in this game but before using my prize I asked if there were any powers that could interfere with my result. I was informed that there were no current powers that could interfere, so no, nothing could interfere. The word current was emphasised. This is why I chose to use the prize immediately N1.
I don’t think this helps much but I can think of a few wild scenarios that I’m simply considering gastard:
1. There is a interfering power, that scum won D1, and either targeted me (who had not claimed to have won anything), or targeted all prize-winners, which would simply suck. I highly doubt I was randomly selected to receive a fake result N1 so still firmly believe the information I received - that there is at least one traitor in the Lilly voters
2. There is an interfering power that scum won both Days and used on me N1 and Friar N2 which means we both got incorrect results. Again, improbable and gastard.
3. The prizes are junk and give incorrect results. Again, without a hint of misleading info or roles that return incorrect alignment, no willing to consider.
If we lose because the game is gastard, hmpf.
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Countess Markievicz - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 12:59 PM)Friar Tuck Wrote: If there are 3 wolves Countess was open wolfing to get 3 villagers killed. Flip me, then her.I wish I had that much imagination and skill to invent such a ploy, thanks.
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Friar Tuck - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 01:13 PM)Countess Markievicz Wrote: OK, so a little bit of info that did not seem relevant before, but want to share. There are no roles in this game but before using my prize I asked if there were any powers that could interfere with my result. I was informed that there were no current powers that could interfere, so no, nothing could interfere. The word current was emphasised. This is why I chose to use the prize immediately N1.It's a bit odd that you thought to ask that. Scratch that, it's very odd.
I don’t think this helps much but I can think of a few wild scenarios that I’m simply considering gastard:
1. There is a interfering power, that scum won D1, and either targeted me (who had not claimed to have won anything), or targeted all prize-winners, which would simply suck. I highly doubt I was randomly selected to receive a fake result N1 so still firmly believe the information I received - that there is at least one traitor in the Lilly voters
2. There is an interfering power that scum won both Days and used on me N1 and Friar N2 which means we both got incorrect results. Again, improbable and gastard.
3. The prizes are junk and give incorrect results. Again, without a hint of misleading info or roles that return incorrect alignment, no willing to consider.
If we lose because the game is gastard, hmpf.
What is gastard?
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Gordon the Cook - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 01:18 PM)Friar Tuck Wrote:a misspelling of bastard.(19-01-2023, 01:13 PM)Countess Markievicz Wrote: OK, so a little bit of info that did not seem relevant before, but want to share. There are no roles in this game but before using my prize I asked if there were any powers that could interfere with my result. I was informed that there were no current powers that could interfere, so no, nothing could interfere. The word current was emphasised. This is why I chose to use the prize immediately N1.It's a bit odd that you thought to ask that. Scratch that, it's very odd.
I don’t think this helps much but I can think of a few wild scenarios that I’m simply considering gastard:
1. There is a interfering power, that scum won D1, and either targeted me (who had not claimed to have won anything), or targeted all prize-winners, which would simply suck. I highly doubt I was randomly selected to receive a fake result N1 so still firmly believe the information I received - that there is at least one traitor in the Lilly voters
2. There is an interfering power that scum won both Days and used on me N1 and Friar N2 which means we both got incorrect results. Again, improbable and gastard.
3. The prizes are junk and give incorrect results. Again, without a hint of misleading info or roles that return incorrect alignment, no willing to consider.
If we lose because the game is gastard, hmpf.
What is gastard?
that's when info that the mod tells you in not true.
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Gordon the Cook - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 01:20 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote:*that's when info that the mod tells you is not true.*(19-01-2023, 01:18 PM)Friar Tuck Wrote: It's a bit odd that you thought to ask that. Scratch that, it's very odd.a misspelling of bastard.
What is gastard?
that's when info that the mod tells you in not true.
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Countess Markievicz - 19-01-2023
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bastard_Mod
I always ask questions about powers if it’s not spelled out in the PM. I needed to understand if I could trust the results 100% and actually asked for confirmation that there was no role that could interfere, above was a paraphrase of the exchange, to avoid breaking rules.
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Gordon the Cook - 19-01-2023
i've no reason to believe this is a bastard game.
I'd expect a bastard game to be advertised as such.
Friar lied about dora moving, they had to. they are traitor.
countess believing friar is village is unsettling, but i think it assures me they are not traitor. just believing friar as they are a good liar.
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Countess Markievicz - 19-01-2023
Oh I don’t believe he’s a villager, I’m 100% sure he’s a traitor. Since the topic of interference came up, I shared the info I had.
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Friar Tuck - 19-01-2023
I'm not lying, I got a false result. There are no wolves in the 3 of us who voted for Lilly.
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Countess Markievicz - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 01:30 PM)Friar Tuck Wrote: I'm not lying, I got a false result. There are no wolves in the 3 of us who voted for Lilly.We’ll know for sure in about 90 minutes.
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Gordon the Cook - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 01:30 PM)Friar Tuck Wrote: I'm not lying, I got a false result. There are no wolves in the 3 of us who voted for Lilly.
if you flip village, then the 3 villagers will vote countess and 3 traitors will vote elsewhere. the game will be decided on a coin flip. whomever wins that coin flip will win the game, as then they will be able to force the win.
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Necro - 19-01-2023
Voting is now OPEN
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Necro - 19-01-2023
William the Grave Robber casts a proxy vote for Friar Tuck
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Necro - 19-01-2023
Countess Markievicz casts a proxy vote for Friar Tuck
RE: Round Table Discussion Thread - Gordon the Cook - 19-01-2023
(19-01-2023, 12:48 PM)Gordon the Cook Wrote: Day 1
Lilly (3): Friar[98], Dora[105], Edward[151]
Edward (3): Moe[107] , Weyland[114], William[138]
William (2): Zeena[104], Gordon[133]
Weyland (1): Lilly[96]
Dora (1): Countess[126]
Non-voters (1): Amy
Day 2
Edward (4): William[311], Weyland[322], Moe[323], Dora[360]
Dora (4): Friar[338], Gordon[341], Countess[344], Zeena[358]
Friar (1): Edward[333]
William (1): Amy[343]
day 3
dora: 3 : willliam, weyland, friar, countess
Friar: 2 : dora, gordon, zeena, moe
which leaves william weyland friar countess gordon zeena and moe
And since we are in end game, I shall revise my estimate of traitors up to 3.
friar is one.
so two in william weyland countess gordon zeena moe
that first kill is an oddity, and since zeena has ruled out a team shield, someone attempted to kill zeena.
if village, zeena has no reason to lie about this.
are traitors allowed to target themselves for murder? I'd answer no to this, which would clear zeena.
if it was a team shoeld, i'd be clearing zeena anyhow, so in my mind, if zeena is a traitor, I've lost any hopes at winning, well done traitor:zeena
so two in william weyland countess moe
out of them 4, i'd banish william and weyland and risk sharing the prize with zeena countess and moe.
ah, with all the information given, I've figured out night 1 kill.
zeena's clear disolves away.
zeena has said they could shield anyone.
So, they shielded someone else, and murderized that person, making for our wierd night 1 kill.
they sacrifised night 1 murder in order to make zeena all shiney and villagery.
zeena is traitor, i don't know why else we would have the odd night 1 murder save.