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REVISED CONCEPT... NEW SCORING SYSTEM... INCREASED FUN...

Okay, this is going to be a long post, because there's a fair bit of new stuff that warrants explaining, but I'll try and keep it as straight forward as possible

THE BIT OF BACK STORY
A lot of you probably remember the TV Walrus I hosted back on boards, which was a lot of fun, but also a lot of work - it was probably 5 times the workload of the 2 Movie Walruses I hosted, and a lot of a reason for that is TV Episodes have gotten so fucking long, some of the episodes were as long as 90 minutes a piece and I was doing 3 episodes per show times 8 categories times 14 players. It was tough going to say the least...

There was also the issue that I was only reacting to the first 3 episodes of each show, which was kind of in place for serialised dramas that would make no sense if I was watching episodes at random, and that hindered people since sometimes a show doesn't hit its stride until a good chunk of episodes in, so I said if I was to do it again I'd try and find a new system that would give people more freedom in their choices...

NEW PARAMETERS: 30 MINUTES OR LESS
The clue is that bit in the title, which I may or may not have "borrowed" from Dominos... Tongue

In this game, there'll be 4 Rounds (we'll get to those in a moment), there'll still be 3 episodes watched by me per person per round (more on that momentarily), but the catch is that each of the episodes submitted will be 30 minutes or under in length, which will tie in with the theme of this particular game anyway...

NEW PARAMETERS: CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE
As I mentioned, for each round I'll still watch 3 episodes from each contender, but they don't have to be the first three episodes of a TV Show, in fact they don't even have to be 3 episodes from the same TV SHOW, you can handpick the finest TV episodes and serve them up to me on a platter as long as they fit the criteria for that round.

So you could pick 3 episodes from the same show, or you could pick 1 episode from 3 different shows, or 2 episodes from one show and 1 from another

You can decide which episodes of the shows you want me to watch, or if you're not too fussed on particular episodes (or aren't someone who remembers specific episodes of things) you can just tell me the shows you want me to watch, and I'll use a randomizer to decide which episodes of those shows I'll be viewing

I'm going to do up an example of how to submit and hopefully make it a bit clearer in a separate post following this one, so if that all sounds really confusing, scroll down to the simplified example of what I'm getting at

GAME THEME: FEEL GOOD COMEDY
I'm sure most of you already put 2+2 together given the 30 Minute or Less parameter, that for the most part shows under 30 minutes long are predominantly Sitcoms, so I thought it would be fun to have the same theme for all 4 Rounds, and picking different eras for the rounds rather than different genres of shows.

Therefore, Sitcoms and Comedies are the name of the game throughout. I'm not going to be too much of a stickler for what counts or doesn't count as a "Sitcom" - it can be your classic live audience style sitcom, comedies with no audience laughter, mockumentaries, adult animations, cartoons and other feel good fun shows aimed at kids, etc. etc. I'm just going to call them all "Sitcoms" going forward for clarity's sake...

THE 4 ROUNDS

When sending episodes please give me the show name, episode season and number, and episode title if applicable. Or if you don't care which episodes I watch, just give me the name of the show(s) and tell me to pick at random

Wikipedia or IMDB will be your friend when wanting to find out when episodes aired and also for episode numbers and titles

Round 1: WAY BACK WHEN
3 Sitcom Episodes that aired between the Dawn of Television and 31.12.1983
Can be 3 episodes from the same show, 3 different shows, etc.

Round 2: BOOKENDED BY BIG BROTHER
3 Sitcom Episodes that aired between 01.01.1984 (the year in which George Orwell's infamous novel is set) and 31.12.2000 (the first year that the Big Brother reality show aired in the UK & Ireland)
Can be 3 episodes from the same show, 3 different shows, etc.

Round 3: THE NEXT GENERATION
3 Sitcom Episodes that aired since 01.01.2001 to Present Day
Can be 3 episodes from the same show, 3 different shows, etc.

Round 4: THE TIME WARP
3 Sitcom Episodes from any point in the history of television, this is basically a Wild Card round
Can be 3 episodes from the same show, 3 different shows, etc.

Overall, you'll be sending me 12 episodes via PM, 3 per round...

NO DUPLICATES: FIRST IN BEST DRESSED
Straightforward enough, when you're submitting it's first in first served, so if Contender #1 comes along and submits a specific episode of SpongeBob SquarePants, and Contender #2 comes along and tries to submit the same episode of SpongeBob SquarePants, then tough titties you're too late... This only applies to specific episodes though rather than the shows themselves, so Contestant #2 can then choose another episode of SpongeBob SquarePants if they wish to do so, just not the same episode as Contestant #1.

This rule applies to all shows, it's not specific to SpongeBob SquarePants, SpongeBob SquarePants is merely the most fun to use as an example...  Wink

NEW SCORING: CRUNCHING THE NUMBERS
If your head is already melted, and you're not someone who's interested in how the sausage gets made, you can probably skip this bit, as it all boils down to submit good stuff and you'll probably score well

I'm throwing out the standard Walrus scoring of awarding people points based on where they rank against how many players are in the game...

In this game, everybody has the potential to get up to 400 points (it's improbable to achieve a perfect score, but not impossible). You'll be marked out of 100 in each round and those marks are the points that will be added to the scoreboard

Each episode in a round will be given a percentage out of 100, then the 3 percentages of your 3 episodes in the round will be melded together to get your average and that average will be your points for the round ; its how I did the last TV Walrus and the Movie Walruses, but now that average number (instead of determining your rank for the round) will just simply be the amount of points you'll be walking away with

I'll give an example of this in the next post as well to make it clearer, but you can also just not worry about it, I know what I'm doing and that's all that matters...  pac

NEW REVEAL STYLE: CHRONOLOGICAL ORDERING
I'm not going to get too into this, because this post is long enough already, and its not too important to know at this stage, but when it comes around to the reveal, I'll be doing it episode by episode (so I won't be reviewing all 3 episodes from 1 player in the same post) starting from the earliest airdate and working forwards. At the end of each round the scores will then be aggregated and the average/points revealed.

NOT A SITCOM FAN BUT STILL WANT TO PLAY?
You don't actually have to have seen the shows you're picking to play along. Maybe you've heard a lot about certain shows, but couldn't be arsed watching them, so just give me the show name, tell me to pick an episode at random, and you can live vicariously through me as I tell you if its hot or not... Simple...

WORRIED ABOUT HOW I'LL FIND THE EPISODES YOU WANT ME TO WATCH?
Don't be. I know my way around the interwebs, I've never had much of a problem finding stuff, it doesn't have to be something easily accessible on the major streamers, so go for whatever you want, and if I really really can't find it I'll let you know

BUT WHAT IF I'VE ALREADY SEEN IT BEFORE?
The great thing about Sitcoms is their rewatchability, and I'm well versed in my TV knowledge, so don't be concerned about having to find something super rare and unique, this IS NOT like my current Double or Nothing Music Walrus where I want new stuff, I'm perfectly happy with stuff I've seen before when it comes to TV, so it won't work against you if I know it already

UPDATE 25/03/2023: GAME CANCELLATION
Unfortunately I will no longer be moving forward with this game, apologies to those who had entered or were considering entering...
Submission Sample

So let's pretend the them is Sci-Fi and Fantasy rather than sitcom, a submission might look something like this (none of these shows would be applicable by the way as they're all more than 30 minutes per episode, its just for the example), which is just a general idea

Round 1: Way Back When (episode aired before 31.12.1983)
#1 Star Trek, Season 2 Ep 15, "The Trouble With Tribbles"
#2 Land of the Giants ; any episode, pick one at random
#3 The Twilight Zone ; any episode from Season 4, pick one at random

Round 2: Bookended By Big Brother (episode aired between 01.01.1984 and 31.12.2000)
#1 Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 3 Ep 9, "The Wish"
#2 Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 4 Ep 10, "Hush"
#3 Angel, Season 1 Ep 9, "Hero"

Round 3: The Next Generation (episode aired after 01.01.2001)
#1 Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6 Ep 7, "Once More With Feeling"
#2 Supernatural, Season 3 Ep 11, "Mystery Spot"
#3 Dark Angel, Season 2 Ep 15, "Fuhgeddaboudit"

Round 4: The Time Warp (any era, wild card)
#1 Star Trek: The Next Generation, Season 7 Ep 15, "Lower Decks"
#2 Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, Season 1 Ep 4, "Memento Mori"
#3 Doctor Who, Season 3 Ep 10, "Blink"

Scoring Sample

Again, if the Scoring System melts your head, don't worry about it, its the stuff I'll be doing behind the scenes anyway, this is more for the people who are genuinely interested in the mechanics of it all...

The way those episodes might be scored would be as followed (I'm making up the ratings here for the sample, in the actual game I'd also review and give some reasons for my scoring)...

Round 1:

The Twilight Zone, Season 4 Ep 5, "Mute" (season specified by sumbitter, episode chosen by randomizer)
Aired 31.01.1963
RSOAPS APPROVAL RATING: 73%

Star Trek, Season 2 Ep 15, "The Trouble With Tribbles"
Aired 09.12.1967
RSOAPS APPROVAL RATING: 82%

Land of the Giants, Season 2 Ep 19, "Panic" (as chosen by the randomizer)
Aired 25.01.1970
RSOAPS APPROVAL RATING: 71%

ROUND 1 AVERAGE RATING: 75.3%
ROUND 1 POINTS TO "SAMPLE": 75.3

Round 2:

Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 3 Ep 9, "The Wish"
Aired 08.12.1998
RSOAPS APPROVAL RATING: 79%

Angel, Season 1 Ep 9, "Hero"
Aired 30.11.1999
RSOAPS APPROVAL RATING: 96%

Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 4 Ep 10, "Hush"
Aired 14.12.1999
RSOAPS APPROVAL RATING: 88%

ROUND 2 AVERAGE RATING: 87.6%
ROUND 2 POINTS TO "SAMPLE": 87.6

Round 3:

Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6 Ep 7, "Once More With Feeling"
Aired 06.11.2001
RSOAPS APPROVAL RATING: 100%

Dark Angel, Season 2 Ep 15, "Fuhgeddaboudit"
Aired 15.03.2002
RSOAPS APPROVAL RATING: 77%

Supernatural, Season 3 Ep 11, "Mystery Spot"
Aired 14.02.2008
RSOAPS APPROVAL RATING: 93%

ROUND 3 AVERAGE RATING: 90%
ROUND 3 POINTS TO "SAMPLE" 90

Round 4:

Star Trek: The Next Generation, Season 7 Ep 15, "Lower Decks"
Aired 07.02.1994
RSOAPS APPROVAL RATING: 80%

Doctor Who, Season 3 Ep 10, "Blink"
Aired 09.06.2007
RSOAPS APPROVAL RATING: 98%

Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, Season 1 Ep 4, "Memento Mori"
Aired 26.05.2022
RSOAPS APPROVAL RATING: 87%

ROUND 4 AVERAGE RATING: 88.3%
ROUND 4 POINTS TO "SAMPLE" 88.3

FINAL GAME POINTS TOTAL FOR "SAMPLE": 341.2

"SAMPLE" will end the game with 341.2 points out of a possible 400... Winner will be the person with the most overall points at the final scoreboard...
I think those might be the two longest posts I've ever written and I feel like a crazy person...

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Hmmm... in all honestly I'm not sure I have the depth of knowledge needed (though I note your comment about that) but I have a few that immediately spring to mind, so I will try to flesh out an entire entry
I do have a good track record with sitcoms in your TV walrus Tongue
But I wouldn't submit the same again, as genius as it is

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(21-02-2023, 06:48 PM)E.N. Wrote: [ -> ]Hmmm... in all honestly I'm not sure I have the depth of knowledge needed (though I note your comment about that) but I have a few that immediately spring to mind, so I will try to flesh out an entire entry

Seriously, if people aren't too well versed in comedies, or have blindspots in certain eras, I think picking shows you've not seen but are keen to find out more about and then asking me to watch random episodes, would be a fascinating experiment from my perspective, so I'm all in if people want to play it that way (either partially or fully)
I'll have a think, I do enjoy sitcoms...
I could probably sort the last three categories no bother but the pre 1984 one is gonna be erm... Interesting. Haven't watched much of the older funnies!
(21-02-2023, 07:50 PM)Necro Wrote: [ -> ]I could probably sort the last three categories no bother but the pre 1984 one is gonna be erm... Interesting. Haven't watched much of the older funnies!
I might have to phone my mum and ask her her opinion on something, that could take hours 🙈🤣
(21-02-2023, 07:50 PM)Necro Wrote: [ -> ]I could probably sort the last three categories no bother but the pre 1984 one is gonna be erm... Interesting. Haven't watched much of the older funnies!

I'm the opposite: Overall I would be more familiar with older sitcoms! 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. I will give this one a miss, keeping up my occasional appearances at Walrus Games! I can't do them all and this one is too much for my brain!
(21-02-2023, 08:10 PM)Declan A Walsh Wrote: [ -> ]
(21-02-2023, 07:50 PM)Necro Wrote: [ -> ]I could probably sort the last three categories no bother but the pre 1984 one is gonna be erm... Interesting. Haven't watched much of the older funnies!

I'm the opposite: Overall  I would be more familiar with older sitcoms! 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. I will give this one a miss, keeping up my occasional appearances at Walrus Games! I can't do them all and this one is too much for my brain!


Ah not too much for the brain though. Lookit that I've already entered! pac
(21-02-2023, 08:18 PM)Necro Wrote: [ -> ]
(21-02-2023, 08:10 PM)Declan A Walsh Wrote: [ -> ]I'm the opposite: Overall  I would be more familiar with older sitcoms! 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. I will give this one a miss, keeping up my occasional appearances at Walrus Games! I can't do them all and this one is too much for my brain!


Ah not too much for the brain though. Lookit that I've already entered! pac

Yep, it's a fairly painless experience to enter, it's me who has the hard part of the deal...  Tongue
Since its already become relevant from the very first submission, if people do want to enter 2-parters or 3-parters that's cool, but they'll count as 2 or 3 of your episodes for that round, and each part will be rated on its own merits when I'm watching them
On first view it feels a bit intimidating to me😱 especially as I'm not a big TV watcher.
BUT..I do like being involved in these and as there's plenty of time for me to get my head around this I will attempt to get an entry together..
How does your mind work @Rachel Stevens on a Pogo Stick 🤔😱🤔
(21-02-2023, 08:57 PM)Jluv Wrote: [ -> ]On first view it feels a bit intimidating to me😱 especially as I'm not a big TV watcher.
BUT..I do like being involved in these and as there's plenty of time for me to get my head around this I will attempt to get an entry together..

Don't worry, it is actually pretty straightforward, the only thing you really need to do is to pick 12 sitcom episodes, 3 for each category, and if you don't want to pick the episodes just pick shows and episodes will be selected at random from that show...

Everything else is really just changes to the game mechanics that you don't have to even understand if you don't want to, it will become clear in the reveal...

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The same as how every brain works...

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Meant to put this in the OP, but forgot, and too lazy to edit it in since it's already longer than the Bible as is.

Due to a lack of ad breaks some BBC comedies (especially older ones) can sometimes run just slightly over 30 minutes, but I won't split hairs over a minute or two, so those are acceptable, just in case anyone was going around checking exact time stamps or anything, there's no need to be that precise with it... I'll let people know if they submit something that's too long and just ask them to pick something else if necessary.
(21-02-2023, 09:36 PM)Rachel Stevens on a Pogo Stick Wrote: [ -> ]Meant to put this in the OP, but forgot, and too lazy to edit it in since it's already longer than the Bible as is.

Due to a lack of ad breaks some BBC comedies (especially older ones) can sometimes run just slightly over 30 minutes, but I won't split hairs over a minute or two, so those are acceptable, just in case anyone was going around checking exact time stamps or anything, there's no need to be that precise with it... I'll let people know if they submit something that's too long and just ask them to pick something else if necessary.

One less brain-wrecking detail so!
I like this idea, fair play and good luck Soapy for watching all, I just need to figure out the best episodes of shows to submit, pilots can be hit and miss so taking 3 from any series is good
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My entries have been entered into the entrance.
Game Update:

Apologies to anyone who was working on an entry to submit and especially to the few who already had sent an entry in to me, but due to personal reasons, unfortunately I will no longer be moving forward with this game
(25-03-2023, 02:16 PM)Rachel Stevens on a Pogo Stick Wrote: [ -> ]Game Update:

Apologies to anyone who was working on an entry to submit and especially to the few who already had sent an entry in to me, but due to personal reasons, unfortunately I will no longer be moving forward with this game

I hope all ok @Rachel Stevens on a Pogo Stick don't worry about this
Real life always comes first Smile
Hope all's ok Soapy

Everyone else will just have to watch Bojack Horseman now Wink
(25-03-2023, 05:25 PM)jp liz v1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(25-03-2023, 02:16 PM)Rachel Stevens on a Pogo Stick Wrote: [ -> ]Game Update:

Apologies to anyone who was working on an entry to submit and especially to the few who already had sent an entry in to me, but due to personal reasons, unfortunately I will no longer be moving forward with this game

I hope all ok @Rachel Stevens on a Pogo Stick don't worry about this

Oh I'm all good, "personal reasons" was probably the wrong wording in retrospect, I'm not dealing with anything bad or anything, it's more down to not being able to give the timing and commitment involved in hosting the game
You haven't got the time to dedicate over 6hrs to every single person who entered? Slacker Tongue
(25-03-2023, 05:38 PM)E.N. Wrote: [ -> ]You haven't got the time to dedicate over 6hrs to every single person who entered? Slacker Tongue

I know, it's so uncharacteristically lazy of me not to dedicate entire weeks of my life to a single internet forum game at the expense of real world opportunities and commitments... I fear I might be evolving as a human being and starting to get my priorities right and it's a very saddening development... Tongue

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(25-03-2023, 05:37 PM)E.N. Wrote: [ -> ]Hope all's ok Soapy

Everyone else will just have to watch Bojack Horseman now Wink

Any recommendations of good comedies, as I need laugh, please recommendations welcome
(25-03-2023, 06:37 PM)jp liz v1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(25-03-2023, 05:37 PM)E.N. Wrote: [ -> ]Hope all's ok Soapy

Everyone else will just have to watch Bojack Horseman now Wink

Any recommendations of good comedies, as I need laugh, please recommendations welcome

Not sitcoms, but stand up. The James Acaster and Daniel Sloss specials on Netflix are brilliant.

The James Acaster ones are a little surreal. Daniel Sloss is dark, but I think he's the best comedian out there at the moment.
(25-03-2023, 06:37 PM)jp liz v1 Wrote: [ -> ]Any recommendations of good comedies, as I need laugh, please recommendations welcome

You've probably seen all of these liz, but my go to's in recent times have been...

Bob's Burgers
American Dad!
What We Do In The Shadows
Abbott Elementary

And for something a bit more on the traditional sitcom side of things, a show that I often think has been underrated and overlooked...

Everybody Loves Raymond
(25-03-2023, 06:53 PM)Rachel Stevens on a Pogo Stick Wrote: [ -> ]Abbott Elementary
Gave up on that after 4 or 5 episodes, just couldn't get in to it

Bob's Burgers is class! Deceptively so, takes a while to realise it's much deeper than it seems

Staying on the obvious side, Brooklyn 99 is brilliant, especially from series 2 to about 6ish

I also rewatched Black Books on All4 recently, I love that
(25-03-2023, 07:03 PM)E.N. Wrote: [ -> ]
(25-03-2023, 06:53 PM)Rachel Stevens on a Pogo Stick Wrote: [ -> ]Abbott Elementary
Gave up on that after 4 or 5 episodes, just couldn't get in to it

Bob's Burgers is class! Deceptively so, takes a while to realise it's much deeper than it seems

Staying on the obvious side, Brooklyn 99 is brilliant, especially from series 2 to about 6ish

I also rewatched Black Books on All4 recently, I love that

I've only seen the first season thus far, but if I recall correctly, Abbott Elementary doesn't hit it's stride until about the midway point (which would've been episode 7 or 8), but then again its not gonna be everyone's cup of tea, so maybe just wasn't for you, which is fair

Bob's Burgers is up there as one of the best comedies of all-time for me at this stage (season 1 and 2 were a bit rough around the edges though), but I know what you mean about it taking time for you to realise its genius. Louise used to be my favourite character on the show, and I still think she's amazing, but I've grown to appreciate Tina the most

Agree about Brooklyn Nine-Nine and Black Books too

Superstore is another one I forgot to mention in the previous post, its incredible once it gets going, but again takes a bit to hit its stride
I only heard about Abbott Elementary from it's awards success, must check it out, I think Disney airs it

I enjoyed Superstore, I believe there was talk of a spin off

It can take a show mid 1st season or "sophomore season aka season 2" as our America friends say to hit the mark, catch it's audience
I'm enjoying Abbott elementary, also agree on Bob's Burgers. Think new season of american dad starts soon. The Great North is a bit of a giggle.

Parks & Rec and Community, both great.
(25-03-2023, 05:37 PM)E.N. Wrote: [ -> ]Everyone else will just have to watch Bojack Horseman now Wink

@E.N. I'm currently sitting in a bar and the table next to me are repeatedly referencing "character actor Margo Martindale" preceding it with character actor every time they say her name
(29-03-2023, 07:26 PM)Rachel Stevens on a Pogo Stick Wrote: [ -> ]
(25-03-2023, 05:37 PM)E.N. Wrote: [ -> ]Everyone else will just have to watch Bojack Horseman now Wink

@E.N. I'm currently sitting in a bar and the table next to me are repeatedly referencing "character actor Margo Martindale" preceding it with character actor every time they say her name
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